Ugly New York New Skyscrapers (Union, Freedom: condo, construction, design)

[nycman9]

yeah like the new world trade center bldg, it's not ugly but it's lacking some appeal to my eyes for whatever reason.. perhaps looks too futuristic.

[PacoMartin]

Originally Posted by ChiTownWonder

Yea... I already explained that there is no space in Manhattan and that is why the buildings are so skinny, but Im saying from an architectural standpoint, im not trying to bash New York just like how you did to my city...

You are comparing existing skyscrapers in Chicago with the ones under construction in NYC. New skyscrapers are primarily residential. The residential skyscrapers make money primarily by having many options of full floor apartments (not just the Penthouse). So 432 Park Avenue has 125 condos in 89 floors, so the footprint is just over 8000 square feet.

Beefy skyscrapers may be prettier to look at it, but when you are selling $70-$100 million condos, it isn't very helpful.

Skyscrapers under construction or topped out (500' and up)

732' River Point Chicago office
616' OneEleven Chicago residential
569' 435 North Park Chicago residential / hotel
525' Wolf Point West Tower Chicago residential

1776' One World Trade Center New York City office
1397' 432 Park Avenue New York City residential
1005' One57 New York City residential / hotel
977' Four World Trade Center New York City office
937' Four Seasons Downtown New York City residential / hotel
895' 10 Hudson Yards New York City office
821' 56 Leonard Street New York City residential
714' 50 West Street New York City residential
656' Atelier II New York City residential
606' Baccarat Hotel & Residences New York City residential / hotel
598' 160 West 62nd Street New York City residential
596' Avalon Willoughby West New York City residential
590' 388 Bridge Street New York City residential
556' 551 10th Avenue New York City residential
548' 50 United Nations Plaza New York City residential

1070' Salesforce Tower San Francisco office
802' 181 Fremont San Francisco residential / office
541' One Rincon Hill North Tower San Francisco residential

643' Mansions at Acqualina Sunny Isles Beach residential
641' Porsche Design Tower Sunny Isles Beach residential

634' Brickell CityCentre Office Tower 3 Miami office
522' Brickell CityCentre Condo Tower 3 Miami residential
520' Brickell CityCentre Condo Tower 2 Miami residential
516' Brickell CityCentre Hotel Tower Miami hotel
503' Brickell CityCentre Condo Tower 1 Miami residential
500' BrickellHouse Miami residential

564' The Tower at PNC Plaza Pittsburgh office
515' Park Avenue West Portland residential / office
625' Millennium Tower Boston residential
1100' Wilshire Grand Tower Los Angeles hotel / office

[Kefir King]

I have a particular dislike for the cookie cutter glass blocks on Sixth Avenue through the 40's and 50's. They are charmless and dated looking..."skyscraper alley."

[ChiTownWonder]

Originally Posted by Airborneguy

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see 2 new buildings in that skyline. Pretty paltry for 12 years.

actually i see 5 about 70 story buildings and a lot of gaps filled in, not to mention the small high rises and mid rises to increase the urban feel of Chicago, but like someone earlier said, this is not a city vs city thread, lets stick to the architectural value of the new skyscrapers in New York

[ChiTownWonder]

Originally Posted by PacoMartin

You are comparing existing skyscrapers in Chicago with the ones under construction in NYC. New skyscrapers are primarily residential. The residential skyscrapers make money primarily by having many options of full floor apartments (not just the Penthouse). So 432 Park Avenue has 125 condos in 89 floors, so the footprint is just over 8000 square feet.

Beefy skyscrapers may be prettier to look at it, but when you are selling $70-$100 million condos, it isn't very helpful.

Skyscrapers under construction or topped out (500' and up)

732' River Point Chicago office
616' OneEleven Chicago residential
569' 435 North Park Chicago residential / hotel
525' Wolf Point West Tower Chicago residential

1776' One World Trade Center New York City office
1397' 432 Park Avenue New York City residential
1005' One57 New York City residential / hotel
977' Four World Trade Center New York City office
937' Four Seasons Downtown New York City residential / hotel
895' 10 Hudson Yards New York City office
821' 56 Leonard Street New York City residential
714' 50 West Street New York City residential
656' Atelier II New York City residential
606' Baccarat Hotel & Residences New York City residential / hotel
598' 160 West 62nd Street New York City residential
596' Avalon Willoughby West New York City residential
590' 388 Bridge Street New York City residential
556' 551 10th Avenue New York City residential
548' 50 United Nations Plaza New York City residential

1070' Salesforce Tower San Francisco office
802' 181 Fremont San Francisco residential / office
541' One Rincon Hill North Tower San Francisco residential

643' Mansions at Acqualina Sunny Isles Beach residential
641' Porsche Design Tower Sunny Isles Beach residential

634' Brickell CityCentre Office Tower 3 Miami office
522' Brickell CityCentre Condo Tower 3 Miami residential
520' Brickell CityCentre Condo Tower 2 Miami residential
516' Brickell CityCentre Hotel Tower Miami hotel
503' Brickell CityCentre Condo Tower 1 Miami residential
500' BrickellHouse Miami residential

564' The Tower at PNC Plaza Pittsburgh office
515' Park Avenue West Portland residential / office
625' Millennium Tower Boston residential
1100' Wilshire Grand Tower Los Angeles hotel / office

Again, this is not about the development in other cities, im only talking about the slender proposed/ under construction buildings in New York

[PacoMartin]

Originally Posted by ChiTownWonder

Again, this is not about the development in other cities, im only talking about the slender proposed/ under construction buildings in New York

I was giving the whole list to show how much residential construction is going on. Residential means skinny.

[ChiTownWonder]

Originally Posted by PacoMartin

I was giving the whole list to show how much residential construction is going on. Residential means skinny.

oh, ok. sorry bout that i miss understood. and i get it, full floor apartments/ condos are in high demand. and how do you sell them more affordably? make them smaller (skinny). how do you get as much money as you can? make them taller. but i just dont like it. sorry, personal preference

[Airborneguy]

Originally Posted by ChiTownWonder

actually i see 5 about 70 story buildings and a lot of gaps filled in, not to mention the small high rises and mid rises to increase the urban feel of Chicago, but like someone earlier said, this is not a city vs city thread, lets stick to the architectural value of the new skyscrapers in New York

I didn't make a city versus city comment. I made an observation based on the pictures YOU posted. You don't get to start a city versus city thread then subsequently declare it not to be one "just because".

[BennyBucks]

The cladding on these is great but the proportions are too far deviated from the golden ratio to be pleasing to the eye.

Still they elevate the feel of midtown and are a nice contrast to the rest of the skyline ...especially the greyer, tired looking high rises.

[nycjowww]

I've come to an conclusion based on this site that no poster regardless of their location likes modern construction.

Btw I disagree I like the new World Trade Center. A debatable quedti