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Old 12-13-2007, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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There's a HUUUGGGGEEEE difference between williamsburg (and the whole of Brooklyn North) and the Bronx. Namely access to manhattan (money commercial areas not Harlem, Wash Heights and Inwood). Bedford Ave. is the 3rd stop from Union Square which is 4 stops from Wall Street by express train and one stop from Grand Central by express train.

Fordham Road is much further from the comercial hubs. Mott Haven is closer but the area is lacking in basic services. For example this weeks daily news did a full page article on a smoothie shop that opened because it was the first place in the area that served healthy food, smoothie shops don't make the news in better neighborhoods.

The other thing about Williamsburg it is diverse, which made allowed people of all races to move in without feeling terribly out of place. Fordham Rd. and Mott Haven are not. Maybe the hispanic and black middle class will turn these areas around? My guess is there just like every other group, once they start families there going to the suburbs.
The infrastructure is there, for there to be quick access to downtown manhattan. In the morning's the D runs fairly quickly. 20-25 mins to columbus circle. But the B is a mess and causes there to be a lot of problems on that line. There's also the metro north station and the 4 line.

 
Old 12-13-2007, 08:16 PM
 
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Forgot about the metro north, which stops running after midnight. Fordham isn't williamsburg. Williamsburg is 3 stops from Union Square and awesome relatively safe night life (a major selling point to early waves of gentrification). Fordham is alot less convenient to the downtown nightlife scene than williamsburg. The City as a whole is getting better, but Fordham Rd doesn't appear to me to be the next williamsburg

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Old 12-13-2007, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Confines of the 101 Precinct
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Forgot about the metro north, which stops running after midnight. Fordham isn't williamsburg. Williamsburg is 3 stops from Union Square and awesome relatively safe night life (a major selling point to early waves of gentrification). Fordham is alot less convenient to the downtown nightlife scene than williamsburg. The City as a whole is getting better, but Fordham Rd doesn't appear to me to be the next williamsburg
the nightlife wasnt always there....the nightlife came after the hipsters did
 
Old 12-13-2007, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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the nightlife wasnt always there....the nightlife came after the hipsters did
Plus honestly one williamsburg is enough. It's kinda cool that it's just far enough to keep the hipsters away. lol.
 
Old 12-13-2007, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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the nightlife wasnt always there....the nightlife came after the hipsters did
what nightlife dude ? ROFL
 
Old 12-13-2007, 09:54 PM
 
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The metro north last train to the BX is 1:53 am and then again at 5am.

As for nightlife, there is a college scene in Fordham/Belmont b/c of the university. Further down (West) on Fordham Rd near the concourse is a little more tough to find night life that doesn't involve extremely shady establishments...There is always woodlawn (great Irish places on McClean and Katonah) and 204th has some old school Irish bars... and lets not forget the Jolly Tinker on Bedford Park and Webster...
 
Old 12-14-2007, 07:02 AM
 
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what nightlife dude ? ROFL
bars lounges and restaurants its pretty lively if u ask me
 
Old 12-14-2007, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Mott Haven
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I missed alot in this thread. I can say that Fordam is not the next Williamsburg...and why even compare it to there? Who cares? Fordham DOES have great access to the city via Metro-North and the D. The new 2/3 family homes being built are MARKET RATE and selling well over $625,000...so no those are not people from the projects buying NOR are they poor people..they are blue collar/middle class people who are choosing to stay rather than run like everyone else.

Fordham DOES have the University, the botanical gardens, the Bronx Zoo, and Arthur Ave in the area...so those are all pretty cool. Does any of this mean that Fordahm is gonna be Beverly Hills tomorrow? No...but why should that or Williamsburg be the goal? Fordham, and the Bronx overall, has been a place for working families that wanted more space at an affordable price... not a giant enclave for the elite. Over the past 40 years however it became the domain of the poor....however that is changing. As the new homes, developments, and amenities are opening, and the middle/working classes are choosing to stay, the Bronx again is being repositioned to be what is has been always meant to do...to be a resource for affordable housing for the working./middle class....and that suits this city, and the borough just fine!
 
Old 12-14-2007, 08:12 AM
 
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I missed alot in this thread. I can say that Fordam is not the next Williamsburg...and why even compare it to there? Who cares? Fordham DOES have great access to the city via Metro-North and the D. The new 2/3 family homes being built are MARKET RATE and selling well over $625,000...so no those are not people from the projects buying NOR are they poor people..they are blue collar/middle class people who are choosing to stay rather than run like everyone else.

Fordham DOES have the University, the botanical gardens, the Bronx Zoo, and Arthur Ave in the area...so those are all pretty cool. Does any of this mean that Fordahm is gonna be Beverly Hills tomorrow? No...but why should that or Williamsburg be the goal? Fordham, and the Bronx overall, has been a place for working families that wanted more space at an affordable price... not a giant enclave for the elite. Over the past 40 years however it became the domain of the poor....however that is changing. As the new homes, developments, and amenities are opening, and the middle/working classes are choosing to stay, the Bronx again is being repositioned to be what is has been always meant to do...to be a resource for affordable housing for the working./middle class....and that suits this city, and the borough just fine!
u did miss a lot.....the point was not to compare williamsburg to fordham in characteristics.....but just to document the 360 degree change that has happened to williamsburg, and wondering if a 360 degree change will happen in fordham....not to change fordham to hipster mode but will it do a 360 degree change to something else....who knows, with the accessible transportation and the rent/own prices, maybe it will become an elitist playground, and maybe the concourse will be the park avenue of the bronx again, you never know....but i'll wait to see what happens.
 
Old 12-14-2007, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Mott Haven
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Yes it may be...but I think the intent and development occuring within the borough is trying to prevent it from becoming an elite enclave..and to turn it back into a resource for working/middle income people.
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