Drugs still a problem in Fordham-Bedford (New York, York: incomes, job, housing)

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Seventh floor..surely you are kidding with such a ludicrous statement..since it is happening behind closed doors how does it affect you? I wont' even answer that silliness..

Condemning the residents does nothing but make you look ridiculous. Actions speak louder than words, and these residents are just now learning the skills and tools necessary to improve their community themselves...and thats exactly what's happening. Although you may believe they sit idly by and allow such activities..that is not the case. It only takes 1 bad apple to spoil the bunch..and that is what you see here. Although the vast majority of the residents are law abiding and care about their community..there is a small minority that are firm ly entrenched in the drug trade...and the community IS taking action. So don't condemn them becuase they have not eradicated drug use/sales...that will never happen...but they are doing what they can and it is getting better...building by building..block by block..it takes time.

Scatman...I believe that the residents are now understanding the value that their communities have...and they are taking action to improve their communities and buildings. In the past 5 years..the city as well as the residents have invested huge sums of money in rehabbing much of the Bronx....the rate of change in the past 5 years has been nothign short of impressive...and there has been no cease yet.

oh please they sell drugs around my way but its not out in the open, and it doesnt affect me, never had, never will. when its in your face to the extent that fordham is, it has to affect you. and the residents are just now learning the skills to improve their neighborhood? what skills do you need to start a tenant patrol in the building? i didnt know it could get that technical to give a damn about where you live. its not a small minority. u go on decatur ave and the whole neighborhood's out in the streets especially in the summertime. the neighborhood is drug infested. and it will stay that way as long as the law-abiding residents allow them to sell in their hallways, lobbies, and outside their building.

[Guywithacause]

Yes you are right Seventh floor...it is all the residents fault...and sicne we are blaming the law abiding residents for the social ills of fordham...let's throw them in jail too...it's all their fault anyway.

And thanks for the great tip on a Tenant Patrol building...who knew thats all it took to rid a community of drugs! Please be sure to give that tip to the police...I am sure your solution for a drug free fordham will be well received.

[apvbguy]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Yes you are right Seventh floor...it is all the residents fault...and sicne we are blaming the law abiding residents for the social ills of fordham...let's throw them in jail too...it's all their fault anyway.

And thanks for the great tip on a Tenant Patrol building...who knew thats all it took to rid a community of drugs! Please be sure to give that tip to the police...I am sure your solution for a drug free fordham will be well received.

now maybe you'll grasp the reasons people shun or just move away from places like that, it is much easier to walk away than to stick around and pee in the wind trying to change such huge societal problems

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by apvbguy

now maybe you'll grasp the reasons people shun or just move away from places like that, it is much easier to walk away than to stick around and pee in the wind trying to change such huge societal problems

exactly....it happens because nobody gives a damn. on my block if i see a kid walking on my neighbor's lawn, u know what i do? yell at his ass and tell him its not his property. thats called giving a damn. wake me up when it happens in fordham.

[Guywithacause]

Yes it is much easier to walk away from problems and responsibilities...people do it all the time..they walk away from their kids..their jobs, their debts and obligations....and that solves nothings...and leaves a bigger mess for others to clean up and society ends up paying the price..which is what we are seeing today. Much of these huge societal problems that we see today were caused precisely because people (and government) decided to just walk away and not deal with problems..but to isolate and ignore them. Nice job!

So I am clear as to why people walk away..which is why I am not..and many others are not either...they are staying and making things better...as are new residents with a different perspective and interest in renewing and improving communities.

[Guywithacause]

Seventhfloor...it does happen in Fordham...you are not understanding that the vast majority of the residents are law abiding and care about their communities...and are taking steps to make things better. This is just a minority of people that are plaguing this community...it makes for great headlines and makes people think the comunity is in shambles..when it clearly isn't....don't believe the hype..it sells papers...thats about it.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Seventhfloor...it does happen in Fordham...you are not understanding that the vast majority of the residents are law abiding and care about their communities...and are taking steps to make things better. This is just a minority of people that are plaguing this community...it makes for great headlines and makes people think the comunity is in shambles..when it clearly isn't....don't believe the hype..it sells papers...thats about it.

what steps? specifically, tell me what steps? and if you give me some vague answer i'm not coming back in this thread.
and i'm sure the norwood news is flying off the press as the most read publication in nyc. this is a local newspaper concentrated on current events for a specific people who live in a specific neighborhood. so what hype would they be trying to display here? i doubt joe blow from jackson heights is running up to the bronx to get his copy.

[Pete Piper]

I also live north of Fordham (Mosholu Parkway), and follow the issues there closely. One of the things that community activists are doing is working to get publicity about the problem. It's a desperate measure, but that's the reason why Fordham Bedford Housing Corp. provided the images. Past New York Times coverage was often initiated by a local priest also trying to publicize the issue. It's easy to blame the residents, but they also need the police to be committed to getting rid of the problem. It seems obvious that they are not doing everything in their power if drug sales continue to operate in the open. I agree with Yodelthat the 52 is interested in the numbers. Maybe they need to be a little more interested in the people.

[Guywithacause]

Seventhfloor..in that case I won't asnwer you to keep you out of the thread! Lol...but yes Peter that is one thing they did out of desperation because they need more attention, help, and resources to combat the problem. I applaud them in their efforts....

I have my own views on the Norwood News as many of their stories are like watching an X-files episode...the government is out to get residents, greedy LLs are trying to infiltrate the area and get rid of the poor people, local business are targeting residents for who knows what..blah blah blah. It is the most biased, ridiculous pamphlet that I have ever read...it is laughable really...every story has some sinister boogey man behind it that is out to get residents..that is EVERY story....residents are the victims...and everyone else is evil. Read those stories and thats all you'll get...no thanks.

[Pete Piper]

Interesting, Guywithacause. I don't havethe same interpretation, but next time I read the paper, I'll keep your comment in mind.

I also think that Scatman made a good point that the people in the neighborhood need to see the beauty and value of their hoods. I'm always hearing about how beautiful and great the Bronx used to be. Saw a book the other day called something like 'Bronx then and now 'with old pictures of the Bronx (50s or earlier) and current picutures below. Most locations were unchanged or even looked better. Yet seems like few have the impression that the Bronx is beautiful today. But if you open your eyes and look around, there's a lot to be impressed by.