Drugs still a problem in Fordham-Bedford (White Plains, Bainbridge: estate, condos, income)

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Seventhfloor..in that case I won't asnwer you to keep you out of the thread! Lol...but yes Peter that is one thing they did out of desperation because they need more attention, help, and resources to combat the problem. I applaud them in their efforts.....

another escape tactic...good job....cause u know what they aint doin **** to help their own community and i dont care if u think its improved or not the fact remains that the area has a drug problem, and moreso than a lot of other areas in the city. u can see as much good in fordham as u want to but like many other posts u make on this board, u run away from the facts. dont throw compstat on here or anything because they fudge the numbers.

i bet you i'm not even from there and i can find a spot to go buy weed right now. try doin that around my way tho and see what happens.

[Pete Piper]

About fudging the numbers, it's hard to hide the dead bodies. Also, crime has gone up in many other cities while in most of New York, and in the 52nd, it's continued to drop. I'd like to see it continue to go down--seems that some others here would be happier if it went back up.

Regarding residents doing nothing to stop the drug sales - I'd hope that picking up the phone and calling the police would be sufficient, although I could see how people would even tire of that if they felt their complaints fell on dead ears.

[SuperMario]

When you guys say Fordham, do you mean Fordham neighborhood which runs from E. 183rd to E. Fordham rd or Fordham-Bedford which runs from E. Fordham to Bedford park.

Or that whole area in general?

Anyway wether it's Fordham or Fordham-Bedford that area has a lot of problems. I also dont see any help. The people there don't look out for each other because it's fast paced. People are shopping, or they got somewhere to go. On the Fordham rd strip, if you were to fall down people would literally step over you just to get to their destination. Then you have the side blocks, o heavens the amount of people chilling in the corners, or on the blocks is incredible. Loud music blaring, people playing dice, cars speeding by it's all there. You're lucky if you get out alive.

Fordham suffers the same problems that the other central Bronx neighborhoods go through...high crime, drugs, poverty...just a very low quality of life in these areas.

it's unfortunate but it's life.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Pete Piper

About fudging the numbers, it's hard to hide the dead bodies. Also, crime has gone up in many other cities while in most of New York, and in the 52nd, it's continued to drop. I'd like to see it continue to go down--seems that some others here would be happier if it went back up.

Regarding residents doing nothing to stop the drug sales - I'd hope that picking up the phone and calling the police would be sufficient, although I could see how people would even tire of that if they felt their complaints fell on dead ears.

cops are the biggest gang in nyc they can hide anything....the deaths may make the news that dont mean the cops have to record it in their stats.....who's gonna govern them?

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by Pete Piper

About fudging the numbers, it's hard to hide the dead bodies. Also, crime has gone up in many other cities while in most of New York, and in the 52nd, it's continued to drop. I'd like to see it continue to go down--seems that some others here would be happier if it went back up.

Actually a month ago the 52nd precinct was the only precinct in the Bronx to see an increase in crime...it was up 2.06% from last year. I go back and check what it is now and you are right it has gone down. Alot of crime during September and October, things seemed to have calmed down though.

[Pete Piper]

That's a question of semantics. Officially, as far as I understand, Bedford Park is either Bedford Park Blvd. to Mosholu or 198 to Mosholu, depending on interpretation. North Fordham is from there to Fordham Road.

[Pete Piper]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

the deaths may make the news that dont mean the cops have to record it in their stats

I'm sorry but that's crazy.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Pete Piper

I'm sorry but that's crazy.

i'm sorry too but its true...even for around my way i check compstat and there are murders that i know have occured that sometimes didnt make it into their records.

[Guywithacause]

Well seems like everyone is the expert on Fordham murders, drugs, and the communities effort (or lack of effort) in stabilizing and improving their community. Does anyone on this threa ACTUALLY live there (NOW, not 5 years ago)? And for that matter...does anyone even live in the Bronx NOW?

If we are not to believe stats, cops, or the city on crime rates...then we really cannot have an open and reasonable discussion because we have no gauge other than the typical "its a drug den" and that's it. We have then NO way of knowing whether it is improving..because if your only evidence is seeing kids hang out on the corner/street...then every neighborhood is a drug den. Yes kids hang out in the streets ALOT in my experience because there are 10 people living in a 2 bedroom apt, domestic violence, or to avoid a host of other problems/fights etc at home. Your friends are alot more fun than your family at that age.

That beign said..I do agree that there is a firmly entrenched drug culture that serves as a distribution point for much of the borough and city (as does Washington Heights). However, I also believe that the area is improving, but nonetheless, the drugs are there...but the community IS making a difference and working with police, however they need MORE resources, and more attention. And yes, it will only truly change when more people enter the community with higher incomes, and there is less of a cocnentration of poverty. The central Bronx, I feel, is quickly becoming the housing of last resort for much of the poor/drugs.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Well seems like everyone is the expert on Fordham murders, drugs, and the communities effort (or lack of effort) in stabilizing and improving their community. Does anyone on this threa ACTUALLY live there (NOW, not 5 years ago)? And for that matter...does anyone even live in the Bronx NOW?

If we are not to believe stats, cops, or the city on crime rates...then we really cannot have an open and reasonable discussion because we have no gauge other than the typical "its a drug den" and that's it. We have then NO way of knowing whether it is improving..because if your only evidence is seeing kids hang out on the corner/street...then every neighborhood is a drug den. Yes kids hang out in the streets ALOT in my experience because there are 10 people living in a 2 bedroom apt, domestic violence, or to avoid a host of other problems/fights etc at home. Your friends are alot more fun than your family at that age.

That beign said..I do agree that there is a firmly entrenched drug culture that serves as a distribution point for much of the borough and city (as does Washington Heights). However, I also believe that the area is improving, but nonetheless, the drugs are there...but the community IS making a difference and working with police, however they need MORE resources, and more attention. And yes, it will only truly change when more people enter the community with higher incomes, and there is less of a cocnentration of poverty. The central Bronx, I feel, is quickly becoming the housing of last resort for much of the poor/drugs.

well how is the community improving? enlighten us. you dont live in the area yet you say its improving.