Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > New York City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-20-2014, 11:21 AM
 
2,440 posts, read 6,259,290 times
Reputation: 3076

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kefir King View Post
Landlords, you want raises?
Open your books big guys and little guys and show us what return you are making on your investment.

Hilltopjay,
Why don't you go first?

We are all ears.

It's not rocket science: annual profit/capitalization or how much you make each year/how much cash you put in?

Show us why you feel the City giving you an extra 3, 4 or 5% in rent rolls is killing you.

If you do not show us these numbers you expose yourself as a total, whining, greedy hypocrite.


In the good old days, before rent control and rent stabilization, landlords built buildings assuming they could charge what the market would bear. When their profits went up, they would build another building and then another and then another, thus increasing supply, and keeping market rents at a reasonable level. That's how it works just about everywhere else in the country. Take a ride down Queens Boulevard in Forest Hills to see what developers built in the free-market 1950's and 1960's.

But thanks to the prostitute politicians in New York City, there were little profits, no profits, or losses, so buildings were burned down, abandoned, or converted to coops, causing market rents to skyrocket (Kefir - when supply goes down and demand stays steady or rises, prices increase).

And congratulations to the landlords who are making great profits on their building and buildings, while providing tenants with excellent service. Wish I had your guts.

And it's nobody's business what the "return on his investment" is.

Last edited by bmwguydc; 06-21-2014 at 10:28 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-20-2014, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
25,368 posts, read 37,078,660 times
Reputation: 12769
Quote:

And congratulations to the landlords who are making great profits on their
building and buildings, while providing tenants with excellent service.
Good lord,
When does Glynda, the good witch arrive with her wand and bless these saviors of New York City.

So landlords, what is your return on your investments?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2014, 11:36 AM
 
2,517 posts, read 4,256,500 times
Reputation: 1948
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kefir King View Post
Landlords, you want raises?
Open your books big guys and little guys and show us what return you are making on your investment.

Hilltopjay,
Why don't you go first?

We are all ears.

It's not rocket science: annual profit/capitalization or how much you make each year/how much cash you put in?

Show us why you feel the City giving you an extra 3, 4 or 5% in rent rolls is killing you.

If you do not show us these numbers you expose yourself as a total, whining, greedy hypocrite.
You got it wrong KK. TENANTS need to open up their books or should I say, provide their income tax returns to prove to us OWNERS that they are WORTHY and genuinely need a below market rent apartment.

KK, you're a rich gay guy who formerly had I believe a rent control or rent stabilized apartment. Its quite obvious that YOU were paying dirt cheap rent for your crappy, non-renovated apartment YET you have money coming out your ass.

You didn't deserve that RC/RS apartment. You victimized real poor people who actually need a RS apartment by selfishly keeping the apartment to yourself and off the market for poor people who actually need it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2014, 11:45 AM
 
25,556 posts, read 23,975,910 times
Reputation: 10120
Quote:
Originally Posted by hilltopjay View Post
You got it wrong KK. TENANTS need to open up their books or should I say, provide their income tax returns to prove to us OWNERS that they are WORTHY and genuinely need a below market rent apartment.

KK, you're a rich gay guy who formerly had I believe a rent control or rent stabilized apartment. Its quite obvious that YOU were paying dirt cheap rent for your crappy, non-renovated apartment YET you have money coming out your ass.

You didn't deserve that RC/RS apartment. You victimized real poor people who actually need a RS apartment by selfishly keeping the apartment to yourself and off the market for poor people who actually need it.

You don't get a RC/RS based on your income, so KK did nothing wrong there. He was living in that apartment for a certain time and if he moved in before 1972, it was rent controlled. When those laws were set up, income was not a factor in setting up rent controlled or rent stabilization.

A tenant could become a millionaire and is perfectly entitled to keep their RC/RS apartment. Whenever that person moves out or dies the LL is free to upgrade the apartment and raise the rent. I doubt you have any rich people in your Bronx building, so people like KK are not issues for you.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2014, 12:01 PM
 
2,517 posts, read 4,256,500 times
Reputation: 1948
Quote:
Originally Posted by NyWriterdude View Post
You don't get a RC/RS based on your income, so KK did nothing wrong there. He was living in that apartment for a certain time and if he moved in before 1972, it was rent controlled. When those laws were set up, income was not a factor in setting up rent controlled or rent stabilization.

A tenant could become a millionaire and is perfectly entitled to keep their RC/RS apartment. Whenever that person moves out or dies the LL is free to upgrade the apartment and raise the rent. I doubt you have any rich people in your Bronx building, so people like KK are not issues for you.
But there lies the problem. ENTITLEMENT! The RS law is flawed. The RS should not even exist. 99% of the states in AMERICA operate in a FREE MARKET apartment rental environment.

So you mean to tell me the other states who operate in free market don't have poor people? Yet poor people there manage without having entitlement to property that isn't theirs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2014, 12:16 PM
 
2,517 posts, read 4,256,500 times
Reputation: 1948
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubygreta View Post
Once again, Kefir proves that he has never hear of the word capitalism.
KK admits he's a socialist. He follows Marxism. He hates capitalism. He hates landlords with a passion and assumes all LLs are greedy, evil and ruthless. Someone such as KK with so much hate towards LLs must of royally been screwed by his previous LLs. The hate stems from somewhere.

What KK doesn't understand is price gouging in apartment rentals DOES NOT EXIST. Total propaganda by the uninformed left.

The MARKET dictates what the rent price will be, NOT landlords. In fact, I wish I could dictate rent prices and charge 10K for a one bedroom apartment in the Bronx so I can retire early but things don't work that way KK.

A little more than half my building has been deregulated due to high rent vacancy. And guess what KK? These deregulated apartments who are now free market apartments fetch the same rent as when they were Rent Stabilized.

There is no monetary gain for me as a landlord in the Bronx rental market in deregulating apartments. But KK will have you believe that Rent Stabilization is required so LLs don't "over charge" you for rent. So I ask you KK, if deregulation automatically means LLs can over charge tenants in rent, then why is it that my deregulated/free market apartments pay the same rent as rent stabilized apartments???

Why am I NOT charging 5K, 10K in rent for my free market apartment? It's free market right? Anything goes? So why haven't I jumped on the opportunity to raise rents significantly? I mean, afterall according to you landlords are greedy. So why not charge an inflated rent price because the apartment is deregulated?

I await your answer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2014, 12:25 PM
 
1,759 posts, read 2,164,895 times
Reputation: 742
Thought this post was about stuyvesant town & Peter Cooper village. What happened here?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2014, 12:34 PM
 
2,517 posts, read 4,256,500 times
Reputation: 1948
Quote:
Originally Posted by 071402 View Post
Thought this post was about stuyvesant town & Peter Cooper village. What happened here?
It is but the under lying issue affecting stuyvesant town and peter cooper is the stupid Rent Stabilization law.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2014, 12:55 PM
 
2,440 posts, read 6,259,290 times
Reputation: 3076
Quote:
Originally Posted by NyWriterdude View Post

A tenant could become a millionaire and is perfectly entitled to keep their RC/RS apartment. Whenever that person moves out or dies the LL is free to upgrade the apartment and raise the rent. I doubt you have any rich people in your Bronx building, so people like KK are not issues for you.
And herein lies the problem. A millionaire can keep his RC/RS apartment. The NYC politicians are such prostitutes.

Deregulation is based on something like two years of $250,000 incomes, and a rent in excess of $2,500. BS. It should also be based on your net worth. And if you own a second home worth over a certain amount, you're also out.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2014, 01:55 PM
 
34,091 posts, read 47,293,896 times
Reputation: 14267
Nobody who posts on this forum would go ever tell their landlord, "hey I have a really good job, so you can deregulate me." Not even the landlords would do that if they not landlords and were renters themselves. So let's be honest here.

Would any of you tell the car salesman, "Naw, I prefer to pay sticker price..."

Some of you should not bother to purchase mirrors.
__________________
"The man who sleeps on the floor, can never fall out of bed." -Martin Lawrence

Forum TOS: http://www.city-data.com/forumtos.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:




Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > New York City
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:23 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top