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Racism is a word developed in the 1920s by communists to achieve their anti white propaganda. It is perfectly natural, normal and wonderful for a person to like is own people best and want his own people to,survive, thrive and do well which means having strong communities, safe areas for their people and helping out their own.
If this is racist then everyone is racist least of all whites. No one complains about Indian areas or,indian businesses that only hire Indians or Chinese lotto or stationary stores that only hire Chinese people or black businesses that only hire blacks. But white areas and white businesses with only white employees are evil. Hypocrisy. Don't buy into their system. They just want to keep you down and make you their slaves. Every group has a right to their own space. Freedom of association is just as important and is a form of free speech.
This is getting off topic again, but what is the point of this post? No one will complain when it's a small business. Examples: Chinese restaurant in Black neighborhood, Albanian or Mexican Pizza parlor in Black neighborhood. Most Blacks don't run these types of restaurants. But they, like most NYer' s eat these foods, so they will support the restaurants as long as they are good.
When it is a large corporation that has clients/customers from every group, then yes people expect to see diversity. I expect to see diversity in Walgreens or Best Buy or TD Bank. John Cassidy' s family accounting business with 8 employees I don't. It's not a big deal.
Except back then, it was about people who grew up here, had families here, then moved out to the 'burbs to get away from the crap going on in the city. Today's "hipsters" are the kids of people of my generation who left. They'll leave here too. No one is willing to stay here long enough and work at the system to make it better. Everyone on here is talking about how white parents won't send their kids to school with black and Hispanic kids (BTW, they are not all "ghetto" and uninterested in learning). The sheer number of aging hipsters could actually make a difference .... BUT that would require hard work.
If you love it here as much as you say you do, why not put in the work to make it better? Or, as I wrote in the thread about the young Ohio woman moving to Brooklyn, is it just to get your temporary "fun fix" before moving back to real life elsewhere?
Carlos and Carmen Vidal just had a child
A lovely girl with a crooked smile
Now they gotta split 'cause the Bronx ain't fit
For a kid to grow up in
Let's find a place they say, somewhere far away
With no blacks, no Jews and no gays
Poppy and the family left the dirty streets
To find a quiet place overseas
And year after year the kid has to hear
The do's the don'ts and the dears
And when she's ten years old she digs that rock 'n' roll
But Poppy bans it from home
Baby, she turns out to be a natural freak
Popping pills and smoking weed
And when she's sweet sixteen she packs her things and leaves
With a man she met on the street
Carmen starts to bawl, bangs her head to the wall
Too much love is worse than none at all
Last edited by queensgrl; 07-19-2014 at 09:44 AM..
Except back then, it was about people who grew up here, had families here, then moved out to the 'burbs to get away from the crap going on in the city. Today's "hipsters" are the kids of people of my generation who left. They'll leave here too. No one is willing to stay here long enough and work at the system to make it better. Everyone on here is talking about how white parents won't send their kids to school with black and Hispanic kids (BTW, they are not all "ghetto" and uninterested in learning). The sheer number of aging hipsters could actually make a difference .... BUT that would require hard work.
If you love it here as much as you say you do, why not put in the work to make it better? Or, as I wrote in the thread about the young Ohio woman moving to Brooklyn, is it just to get your temporary "fun fix" before moving back to real life elsewhere?
Carlos and Carmen Vidal just had a child
A lovely girl with a crooked smile
Now they gotta split 'cause the Bronx ain't fit
For a kid to grow up in
Let's find a place they say, somewhere far away
With no blacks, no Jews and no gays
Poppy and the family left the dirty streets
To find a quiet place overseas
And year after year the kid has to hear
The do's the don'ts and the dears
And when she's ten years old she digs that rock 'n' roll
But Poppy bans it from home
Baby, she turns out to be a natural freak
Popping pills and smoking weed
And when she's sweet sixteen she packs her things and leaves
With a man she met on the street
Carmen starts to bawl, bangs her head to the wall
Too much love is worse than none at all
Everyone wants what everyone else has. No one is content with their lot in life. The real angst with gentrification, is change. Gentrification changes the status quo. But it is part of life.
Everyone wants what everyone else has. No one is content with their lot in life. The real angst with gentrification, is change. Gentrification changes the status quo. But it is part of life.
The mass exodus from NYC was a HUGE change -- more than gentrification, IMO. My point was that they're all just part of the same broader cycle.
Except back then, it was about people who grew up here, had families here, then moved out to the 'burbs to get away from the crap going on in the city. Today's "hipsters" are the kids of people of my generation who left. They'll leave here too. No one is willing to stay here long enough and work at the system to make it better. Everyone on here is talking about how white parents won't send their kids to school with black and Hispanic kids (BTW, they are not all "ghetto" and uninterested in learning). The sheer number of aging hipsters could actually make a difference .... BUT that would require hard work.
Baby, she turns out to be a natural freak
Popping pills and smoking weed
And when she's sweet sixteen she packs her things and leaves
With a man she met on the street
Carmen starts to bawl, bangs her head to the wall
Too much love is worse than none at all
From the viewpoint of many hipsters, they didn't cause the problems and they aren't social workers.
There's only so much you can do to milk the white liberal guilt trip.
And no, not all of them will leave. Depending on what kind of work they do, they will stay here to be close to work if they are successful. Those purchasing condos in Williamsburg, Ft. Greene, Chelsea, Lower East Side can afford to stay in NYC and send their children to private schools. They aren't going anywhere. Some of the unsuccessful ones will leave of course and NYC has always been a revolving door on that.
The mass exodus from NYC was a HUGE change -- more than gentrification, IMO. My point was that they're all just part of the same broader cycle.
NYC will always be the poster child for gentrification in part because of the massive scale in which it was executed, including then mayor's Giuliani and after that Bloomberg making it a lot easier for developers to create the atmosphere in which it could happen. No other city was affected to the same degree, but then again everything tends to happen on a larger scale in NYC than it does elsewhere anyway.
Another interesting thing about NYC involves the unique relationship of Manhattan to the rest of the city, being the core, initial NYC (before the annexation of Brooklyn) and hints at gentrification as early as the eighties. Whereas in other cities there weren't as many people living downtown anyway, and you had to create density where none had previously existed, which is what happened in cities like Cleveland, or in the case of Detroit one can re-purpose existing office space and hotels and create a unique living situation (rather than merely re-purposed dead factories and warehouses). Most would agree that in NYC gentrification means something entirely different than it does in other cities, like Philadelphia, or Washington DC.
NYC will always be the poster child for gentrification in part because of the massive scale in which it was executed, including then mayor's Giuliani and after that Bloomberg making it a lot easier for developers to create the atmosphere in which it could happen. No other city was affected to the same degree, but then again everything tends to happen on a larger scale in NYC than it does elsewhere anyway.
Another interesting thing about NYC involves the unique relationship of Manhattan to the rest of the city, being the core, initial NYC (before the annexation of Brooklyn) and hints at gentrification as early as the eighties. Whereas in other cities there weren't as many people living downtown anyway, and you had to create density where none had previously existed, which is what happened in cities like Cleveland, or in the case of Detroit one can re-purpose existing office space and hotels and create a unique living situation (rather than merely re-purposed dead factories and warehouses). Most would agree that in NYC gentrification means something entirely different than it does in other cities, like Philadelphia, or Washington DC.
Many things had to happen sequentially and concurrently for the present situation to exist. I say this was 40 years in the making and went through several phases. People had to leave for others to fill that space. For a long time things were empty and just sat. Patient owners waited through crime, AIDS and crack to calm down before giving a thought to selling. In most cases they began renting to a higher class of people (this was in the late 80s early 90s, and when the neighborhood was stable, they started selling. That is what I witnessed between the mid 70s to the present in Fort Greene, Brooklyn.
For the evolution of Bushwick, go back to the summer of '77 when the blackout occurred, go through blight, AIDS, crack, nothing for years until things began creeping east as people were priced out.
For people to be where they are now, a lot of lives were lost. It's actually quite tragic.
Many things had to happen sequentially and concurrently for the present situation to exist. I say this was 40 years in the making and went through several phases. People had to leave for others to fill that space. For a long time things were empty and just sat. Patient owners waited through crime, AIDS and crack to calm down before giving a thought to selling. In most cases they began renting to a higher class of people (this was in the late 80s early 90s, and when the neighborhood was stable, they started selling. That is what I witnessed between the mid 70s to the present in Fort Greene, Brooklyn.
For the evolution of Bushwick, go back to the summer of '77 when the blackout occurred, go through blight, AIDS, crack, nothing for years until things began creeping east as people were priced out.
For people to be where they are now, a lot of lives were lost. It's actually quite tragic.
The true problem and the true start of all this was urban disinvestment. The US government created cheap mortgages post WW2. That allowed whites to move to the suburbs. Factories closed in a number of big cities, and this impoverished the working class. Bushwick wasn't the good until the city lost one million jobs in the early 70s.
In the 1990s, the federal government thought it was a waste to have underused urban land, so companies and developers got tax breaks for doing businesses in big cities. US federal policy created the problem, and US federal policy "resolved" the problem.
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