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Old 07-19-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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Interesting piece in the New York Post about how the planned admission changes to the City's elite high schools will harm Asians.

Why NYC’s push to change school admissions will punish poor Asians | New York Post

 
Old 07-19-2014, 07:51 PM
 
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Next thing you know, they'll dumb down the auditions at FLGHS and Sinatra.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 08:04 PM
 
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One of the sad outcomes of civil rights laws is this nonsense that the ratio of minorities in a population must somehow mirror everything from housing to employment. When it doesn't certain groups cry discrimination.

Persons come here illegally and legally speaking not a word of English and attend the same public schools as African Americans and Hispanics/Latinos. Indeed often in the same crappy areas, yet somehow they manage not only to excel academically but go onto higher education and get themselves out of poverty.

Meanwhile the usual suspects are still in the hood claiming someone is keeping them down.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 09:03 PM
 
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One of the sad outcomes of civil rights laws is this nonsense that the ratio of minorities in a population must somehow mirror everything from housing to employment. When it doesn't certain groups cry discrimination.

Persons come here illegally and legally speaking not a word of English and attend the same public schools as African Americans and Hispanics/Latinos. Indeed often in the same crappy areas, yet somehow they manage not only to excel academically but go onto higher education and get themselves out of poverty.

Meanwhile the usual suspects are still in the hood claiming someone is keeping them down.
The New York Post article itself says that Asians have the highest poverty rate out of all the cities major races. So it would appear their educational achievements are not preventing that from happening. And if 73% of a specialized public high school is Asian, clearly the city and the state are going to rebalance that not just for Blacks and Hispanics, but for whites as well. The article actually suggests that the revised criteria would help more people out from affluent backgrounds, those who do things like study abroad, volunteer, and other things and activities that more well to do people do.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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The New York Post article itself says that Asians have the highest poverty rate out of all the cities major races. So it would appear their educational achievements are not preventing that from happening. And if 73% of a specialized public high school is Asian, clearly the city and the state are going to rebalance that not just for Blacks and Hispanics, but for whites as well. The article actually suggests that the revised criteria would help more people out from affluent backgrounds, those who do things like study abroad, volunteer, and other things and activities that more well to do people do.
Maybe it's because more poor Asians keep coming to NYC to take the places of those who move up? Similar to how Guatemalans and Hondurans are coming in to replace the Mexicans who have assimilated and succeeded?

I don't think the OP's intent was to tout a specific demographic. More like he believed the admissions criteria is as meritocratic as it can get and should not be changed for people who cannot pass, regardless of ethnicity.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 09:36 PM
 
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It doesn't only punish poor Asians. It punishes all those that are smart and hardworking, but not considered a race that should get unequivocal preference. The only difference is that the more well off people can afford to relocate outside of NYC to escape the institutional racist policies. In the end this policy will only benefit middle class and up blacks and hispanics (i.e. families like de Blasio's) who already have the economic resources, but for some reason can't get into those school in high enough numbers. Those that are economically disadvantaged can go around parading and voting all the benefits they want, but it ain't gonna be their kids that get into those schools unless they're really looking to drastically lower the standards. If they're gonna quota certain races, as a nyc income tax payer I'd rather they just get rid of those schools all together. I don't want my money funding implementation of disgraceful policies that should have no place in 2014.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 09:37 PM
 
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Maybe it's because more poor Asians keep coming to NYC to take the places of those who move up? Similar to how Guatemalans and Hondurans are coming in to replace the Mexicans who have assimilated and succeeded?

I don't think the OP's intent was to tout a specific demographic. More like he believed the admissions criteria is as meritocratic as it can get and should not be changed for people who cannot pass, regardless of ethnicity.
The New York Post article presents no data on that particular part of this subject.

Well admissions criteria are always subject to change, and it's always politically influenced. It does appear this is being done to reduce the percentage of Asians at these schools, as 73% is higher than the political establishment will tolerate. That's politics for you. This is not a meritocracy.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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Maybe it's because more poor Asians keep coming to NYC to take the places of those who move up? Similar to how Guatemalans and Hondurans are coming in to replace the Mexicans who have assimilated and succeeded?

I don't think the OP's intent was to tout a specific demographic. More like he believed the admissions criteria is as meritocratic as it can get and should not be changed for people who cannot pass, regardless of ethnicity.
The dude knows this, but for some reason this is his same argument every time. And there's always someone giving the same explanation that you're giving.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 09:41 PM
 
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The dude knows this, but for some reason this is his same argument every time. And there's always someone giving the same explanation that you're giving.
No one ever presents evidence to the otherwise. There are a number of Asians in the medical profession, but they are underrepresented in the corporate world, media, and government.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 10:00 PM
 
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Go to an Asian nabe such as Elmhurst, which is far from being affluent, and take a look at the type of businesses occupying the upstairs retail/commercial space on Broadway. To an outsider it would seem like an oversupply of tutoring programs. So its no secret why Asians are getting in vs others. I think any changes made will just be adjusted for by the Asian population to maintain similar acceptance rates. They'll eventually have to limit how many students come from certain nabes such as Elmhurst and Flushing to a specified number of available seats. But even then, they'll still adjust by moving to less of an Asian nabe. Only way to fix will be to force others to study just as hard. If you want to live here under assistance and still be able to get into the best school...then you'll have to put the mandatory library hours in.
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