Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > New York City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-11-2014, 10:55 PM
 
25,556 posts, read 23,841,689 times
Reputation: 10119

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjake54 View Post

Where is her family?
As a true conservative, she should neither seek nor accept government handouts!
She can neither accept nor deny government handouts as she is paralyzed, cannot speak, can't see or hear out of one side, etc. The decision will be made for her. She's off to a long term care facility, and medicaid will pay for it. Her parents are elderly and she has no children that I know off.

So again when a person can't even SPEAK for themselves they're in no position to decline anything. This could happen to you or to anyone, including me.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-12-2014, 08:36 AM
 
6,459 posts, read 11,991,425 times
Reputation: 6395
Quote:
Originally Posted by NyWriterdude View Post
The Division of Liens and Recovery Casualty Program places liens and asserts claims against the personal injury lawsuit settlements of past or present recipients of Medicaid and Cash Assistance pursuant to NYS SSL 104 and 104-b. At the time of a lawsuit settlement, law firms and insurance companies must contact the Division to obtain a final lien amount. Total settlement amount from all defendants is needed to discuss lien re-payment.
HRA/DSS - Our Services - Program Integrity - Division of Liens & Recovery

In short if you get run over by a truck and medicaid pays all your medical expenses, medicaid has to be reimbursed by the insurance company that's paying you out. The reason why you have medicaid is related to the accident, and the state wants to be reimbursed. Notice that it strictly says PERSONAL INJURY lawsuits. There are many kinds of lawsuits unrelated to personal injury, and again so far there's no evidence the city can recoup lawsuits across the board. Basically, the person's lawyer would know that their medical bills are paid for by medicaid and they would be reporting this to medicaid. Only in one kind of lawsuit. Still, thank you for supplying this information.
That isn't true for one person I know. He never used medicaid. He was being billed for accepting cash a few years before, but he was upset, because he "worked" for that money. How can you "work" for something and then take it away a second time?



Quote:
As for the lottery, that is state money so since state money was supporting the welfare clients, it's not entirely crazy for the state to ask that this money recoup the cost. Of course the vast majority of welfare clients never win the lottery. A significant win is so rare this shouldn't be a major concern to most welfare recipients.
Again, NO. If you read the case, the guy WORKED for that money. The state had no right to take money that he was FORCED to WORK for. This is what he was suing for. I don't know what became of the case, because of course, no media source is reporting it and I'm not that vested enough to search for it on findlaw or lexis to see what happened.

The woman I told you about with the Masters "worked" for her money too and the city still came after her for it.

How do you make someone "work" for something and then turn around and claim the money back again as though you gave it to them as a "loan"?

Honestly, NYC HRA should just say that all money given whether you worked for it or not is nothing more than a loan without interest.



Quote:
I never accused you of deliberately lying. I suggested you didn't have the full story from those who had to pay back their welfare money.
I know, but someone else was trying to be a smart ass, so I decided to search for the info. Didn't take long.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 08:55 AM
 
25,556 posts, read 23,841,689 times
Reputation: 10119
Quote:
Originally Posted by marilyn220 View Post
That isn't true for one person I know. He never used medicaid. He was being billed for accepting cash a few years before, but he was upset, because he "worked" for that money. How can you "work" for something and then take it away a second time?





Again, NO. If you read the case, the guy WORKED for that money. The state had no right to take money that he was FORCED to WORK for. This is what he was suing for. I don't know what became of the case, because of course, no media source is reporting it and I'm not that vested enough to search for it on findlaw or lexis to see what happened.

The woman I told you about with the Masters "worked" for her money too and the city still came after her for it.

How do you make someone "work" for something and then turn around and claim the money back again as though you gave it to them as a "loan"?

Honestly, NYC HRA should just say that all money given whether you worked for it or not is nothing more than a loan without interest.





I know, but someone else was trying to be a smart ass, so I decided to search for the info. Didn't take long.
One reason the media doesn't report on it is I think it very rarely happens, and we still don't know exactly what went on in these cases. I've known enough bull****ters from this population to take everything they say with a grain of salt unless it is checked against multiple sources.

All this is getting off subject too. One or two sob cases does not change the fact that most welfare clients NEVER pay back their welfare when they come into money, whether it's from a job, inheritance, lawsuit, or other sources.

Don't misrepresent this as all HRA clients are paying back whatever money was meant on them when it's a TINY minority at BEST, and at the worst a percentage so small it's not even a statistic.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 09:59 AM
 
3,244 posts, read 5,222,503 times
Reputation: 2551
Quote:
Originally Posted by NyWriterdude View Post
A conservative friend of mine who is very young had a stroke
Quote:
Originally Posted by NyWriterdude View Post
Her parents are elderly
This doesn't add up.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 10:24 AM
 
25,556 posts, read 23,841,689 times
Reputation: 10119
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjake54 View Post
This doesn't add up.
Notice you try to start an argument when a situation presents itself that you cannot politicize. A woman with no children and old parents has had a stroke. Home care is not an option and she cannot decline governmental assistance because she can't even speak and is paralyzed and only able to see and hear out of one side. So it's off to a long term facility. It's tragic.

She's young to have to go to a nursing home (under 50).

Mind you this happens to people WITH able bodied adult children as sometimes the children are unwilling or unable to take care of the sick parent.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 12:51 PM
 
900 posts, read 2,365,065 times
Reputation: 681
You're living in a fantasy world if you think money isn't made off the homeless, it's a shell game.



One of the mantras of conservatives and common place beliefs is the poor burdening government and because of this common belief a conservative will usually believe and prepare knowing government won't sustain them. I also find it hard to believe a true conservative would have enough preparedness to avoid being put in that position of having absolutely nothing in times of trouble.

Now I will state certain illnesses can wipe you out but from what I've seen in NYC it's the poor who won't see doctors on a regular basis when knowing they have hbp and many of these people because of their own self neglect either die or are permanently disabled because of it. In my home state I don't see this happening as much, they will find a clinic a go to a dentist. How many snagatooth people here in NY I see, but I digress.

True conservatives under the belief of pulling them self up by their own bootstraps, work, save, and have health plans.

Sorry I don't believe your little tale either.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 04:10 PM
 
25,556 posts, read 23,841,689 times
Reputation: 10119
Quote:
Originally Posted by luvnyc View Post
You're living in a fantasy world if you think money isn't made off the homeless, it's a shell game.



One of the mantras of conservatives and common place beliefs is the poor burdening government and because of this common belief a conservative will usually believe and prepare knowing government won't sustain them. I also find it hard to believe a true conservative would have enough preparedness to avoid being put in that position of having absolutely nothing in times of trouble.

Now I will state certain illnesses can wipe you out but from what I've seen in NYC it's the poor who won't see doctors on a regular basis when knowing they have hbp and many of these people because of their own self neglect either die or are permanently disabled because of it. In my home state I don't see this happening as much, they will find a clinic a go to a dentist. How many snagatooth people here in NY I see, but I digress.

True conservatives under the belief of pulling them self up by their own bootstraps, work, save, and have health plans.

Sorry I don't believe your little tale either.
Low level trolling 101.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 04:54 PM
 
10 posts, read 11,329 times
Reputation: 19
Everyone on earth would take Government handouts if the situation (dire) presented itself....Don't give me this faux hypocritical "self sufficient cowboy" bull crap as I've seen my father (a staunch Libertarian) do the same yet get help when he desperately needed it.....I would bet that 99.99 of Libertarians would throw their ideology out the window and use assistance if they had no other option.....

That being said ANY ideology is better than the Far left...Yes Libertarians are often enormous hypocrites, but at least they are Pro business and favor economically sound principles....I can at least deal with their hypocrisy and tiny wee wee complexes, but I can't deal with the stupidity and economically illogical ideas of the Far left.

I have no issue with people using public assistance/welfare what ever as long as it is TEMPORARY and doesn't turn into a dependency....We are all Americans after all and I have no problem with helping Americans in need, but it has to be a temporary help to get that person on their feet...Not anything more than that.

One of the reasons why violent crime is so high in the US is because people don't feel connected to one another like they do in other countries...When you feel a great deal of pride in your country and in your fellow countrymen/women you are much more motivated to try to make your country a better and more successful place....When you don't than committing crime and victimizing other Americans becomes much easier and a more viable option.

To be honest I can't stand Libertarians or the Far Left....I tend to be a Roosevelt type of Republican...

Last edited by NatureLover10; 09-12-2014 at 05:10 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 05:03 PM
 
10 posts, read 11,329 times
Reputation: 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjake54 View Post
Where is her family?
As a true conservative, she should neither seek nor accept government handouts!

Shut up....Everyone would do it in such a situation...Yourself included...Libertarian principles are just meaningless hogwash that sound good in the classroom, but mean absolutely nothing in the real world....they simply aren't applicable to reality just like socialism or far left thinking isn't....

Far right Conservatives are massive hypocrites I have seen it time and time again...They are just as lazy as everyone else and just as likely to take advantage of the system (if they can get away with it) as anyone else....The only difference is they like to pretend they are John Wayne types...

That being said they are still preferable to The far Left....But that doesn't mean they are honorable in any way shape or form....They are massive hypocrites and liars, but anyone is preferable to the far Left...

Don't "Conservative" states get MORE in Government aid and assistance year after year than Liberal states do....Self Sufficient my ass!!!! They are a bunch of hypocrites who have tiny wee wee complexes and like to pretend they are "do it alone" John Wayne types when in reality they are just as lazy and entitled as everyone else while (apparently) demanding more from the Government than other states do...

Last edited by NatureLover10; 09-12-2014 at 05:11 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 05:07 PM
 
33,450 posts, read 46,864,463 times
Reputation: 14053
Quote:
Originally Posted by NatureLover10 View Post
Everyone on earth would take Government handouts if the situation (dire) presented itself....Don't give me this faux hypocritical "self sufficient cowboy" bull crap
Amen

You think the Alaskans are handing back their yearly oil stipend? FOH
__________________
"The man who sleeps on the floor, can never fall out of bed." -Martin Lawrence

Forum TOS: http://www.city-data.com/forumtos.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:



Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > New York City

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top