Moving to a Mansion in Tremont (Bath: crime, contractors, living in)

[bx718]

Originally Posted by scatman

I was the first to note that in my post. The .....

And the couple's race, IMO, is the exact reason why the Times did this story. And I, as an African-American, have no problem with it.

wow. so since you, as an "african american" have no problems with it, then it cannot be seen as "improper" right.

Originally Posted by scatman

People of color need to read/see more of this, instead of folks in cuffs or shouting about The Man bringing them down.

so every person of color in hand cuff screams "teh man is bringing him/her" down??? what is your point?

if you have to read about someone moving to E tremont to let you know "the man" is not keeping you down, you're already a lost cause. there was no need to mention the race. isn't gentrification about class than race?
what's with black gentry/white gentry? ** oh well **

[Wild Style]

Originally Posted by scatman

I was the first to note that in my post. The notation is important for a lot of reasons. I'll name a couple.....

1) The perceptions on gentrification have never taken into account that there is a Black gentry. Not all people of color are broke and complaining about The Man putting them down.

2) Not everyone of color is moving to Pennsylvania or Atlanta. Many people are staying and electing to be homeowners here in the hood. Many people back in the day were homeowners in the hood due to racial steering. But if you get lemons, you make lemonade. Shoot, with all this development and the benefits of ownership in this city now, the lemonade might be made for ya!

And the couple's race, IMO, is the exact reason why the Times did this story. And I, as an African-American, have no problem with it. People of color need to read/see more of this, instead of folks in cuffs or shouting about The Man bringing them down.

What I admire about this couple is that they see the value in things many others don't. That is THE driving factor in gentrification. See San Francisco, East Columbus, OH and Harlem. If people in their hood can see that they are living in great locations, beautiful buildings, etc, it can become an incentive for folk to improve their communities, without the need for the gentry.

I agree with this 100%. Four years ago a friend of mine was living in L.G. in Bklyn. He had saved up money and planned to move to Jersey. I told him to take that money and buy a brownstone in Bed stuy, to which he balked and said "im trying to get out the hood". Such a unfortunate mentality some of us have toward our communities.

[bx718]

Originally Posted by Wild Style

Such a unfortunate mentality some of us have toward our communities.

so when you're a "minority" it's not only o.k to live in the "hood" but also, it is an unfortunate mentality to want to move out?

please tell that to stack bundles, who after gaining some fame and $$ , decided to continue living in his "community". it earned him a bullet in the brain.......... during a robbery....... robbed by someone from "his community"

who said there can't be nice areas with predominantly "minority" inhabitants?
I am not saying hey "pisss" on minority NHs but to say it's unfortunate to leave "the hood' is actually the unfortunate thing. "THe hood" is not the only accomodation available to "non whites"

where do you live? why don't you move into the middle of queens bridge or brownsville........

[scatman]

Originally Posted by bx718

so when you're a "minority" it's not only o.k to live in the "hood" but also, it is an unfortunate mentality to want to move out?

please tell that to stack bundles, who after gaining some fame and $$ , decided to continue living in his "community". it earned him a bullet in the brain.......... during a robbery....... robbed by someone from "his community"

who said there can't be nice areas with predominantly "minority" inhabitants?
I am not saying hey "pisss" on minority NHs but to say it's unfortunate to leave "the hood' is actually the unfortunate thing. "THe hood" is not the only accomodation available to "non whites"

where do you live? why don't you move into the middle of queens bridge or brownsville........

I see that you didn't get the gist of my post!

What Wild Style and I are saying is that areas known as The Hood are more valuable than many people think. This does not condemn the 'better neighborhoods', suburbs or exurbs that many people are fleeing to. But when you have historic homes in locations that are close to work (which many neighborhoods are), you see the benefits.

Many people who went to the suburbs/exurbs/South are realizing that the grass is not always greener on the other side. Too many people were not prepared for the high property taxes in Jersey, 2-hour commutes to/from PA and a lower paying job market down South. Oh, by the way, all the "criminal issues" of The Hood went to the suburbs/exurbs/South, too! I kid you not!

[bx718]

Originally Posted by scatman

Oh, by the way, all the "criminal issues" of The Hood went to the suburbs/exurbs/South, too! I kid you not!

well let me be the one to tell you that the crime/drugs in the burbs did not come from people moving from teh city into the burbs. crime/drugs has always been in the burbs. are you aware of the high cocaine consumption in the burbs?

the burbs are not heaven and it's not because people are moving there from the cities. it's just more concentrated in the cities etc

[Wild Style]

Originally Posted by bx718

so when you're a "minority" it's not only o.k to live in the "hood" but also, it is an unfortunate mentality to want to move out?

please tell that to stack bundles, who after gaining some fame and $$ , decided to continue living in his "community". it earned him a bullet in the brain.......... during a robbery....... robbed by someone from "his community"

who said there can't be nice areas with predominantly "minority" inhabitants?
I am not saying hey "pisss" on minority NHs but to say it's unfortunate to leave "the hood' is actually the unfortunate thing. "THe hood" is not the only accomodation available to "non whites"

where do you live? why don't you move into the middle of queens bridge or brownsville........

I am from East Flatbush, I currently live in Florida. I plan to move back to NYC next year, God willing and when I do, guess what? I will be living in East Flatbush, then probably will relocate to Bed Stuy. I don't mind living in "the hood". Hood doesn't have to be blood central, it can be a lower income area for working class people. What happened to Stack B. is unfortunate but not every hood is like that. All I am saying is, it is good that people of color who don't abandon these neighborhoods and try to contribute in a positive way. I saw whites do it in Clinton Hill so why can't minorities do it? If someone chooses not to do it, then hey, thats their choice, more power to them, don't take it so personal.

as to why I wont move into Queens Bridge or Brownsville, well I am not from those areas and don't have family there. However, if I had family in Brownsville and it wasn't a dangerous section, then why not? Again to each his own.

[scatman]

Originally Posted by bx718

where do you live? why don't you move into the middle of queens bridge or brownsville........

I took a busride through Bushwick the other day. I'll say this......"Next stop Brownsville".

By the way, QB is right across the river. Somebody's already getting off there!

I know this isn't the Jersey forum, but in 10 years, you can throw Newark into that equation, too!

[Moth]

Its a fantastic house, even in its distressed state. I am glad a couple with the means are going to renovate and fix it up. It would be tragic if it was simply demolished and replaced by some hideous brick structure right out of Smolensk.

Good for them. I just hope they do not end up living a life like Charlton Heston in The Omega Man.

[Guywithacause]

PeterPiper...there are plans for a Metro-North stop by Yankee Stadium ...and there is already a Metro-North stop in Melrose, I believe @ 161st and Melrose ave.

As for Seventh...as I said before..you should walk the beat and not only get your info from the internet. If you were to go by that location, you would note that there is slightly more than HVAC work going on!!! As for the 858,000 development in Melrose...I suggest doing the same....you will be greeted with bulldozers and contractors....but then again....you have your internet site that must be right! Lol...

The reason why I brought up the race issue, which I typically prefer not to, is because the supposed gentrification (its really redevlopment) that is occuring in the Bronx is being driven by people of color, not the yuppies and hippes that make headlines in the NYTimes.

The Bronx is returning to the vision that it always was....a source of affordable housing for the working and middle classes...the backbone of the city. That function was perverted by the government, inept/destructive social programs,and extreme segregation and isolation. The city and its residents have since changed course and are now reinstating the Bronx as the borough of inclusion....and is working actively to build true affordable housing for ALL people..not just the poor....but for the workign and middle classes. That was the original purpose of the Bronx..and that is now the future of the borough.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

As for Seventh...as I said before..you should walk the beat and not only get your info from the internet. If you were to go by that location, you would note that there is slightly more than HVAC work going on!!! As for the 858,000 development in Melrose...I suggest doing the same....you will be greeted with bulldozers and contractors....but then again....you have your internet site that must be right! Lol...

like i said, if there is more than HVAC work going on, then plans have not been filed with the city, meaning that they're working without a permit. i'm not disputing that they're working over there, but as i see nothing was filed for it, i'm just noting that the work being done is illegal. same thing for the melrose site. i'm just saying all this because i work with architects and engineers i do this for a living. and if the work is done illegally then the DOB will hit them with a stop work order, slowing the "progress" in your neighborhood.