Bronx Crime to go down !!!!!!!! (New York, York: home, neighborhood, school)

[Guywithacause]

Baylovers...to be fair..can you also post the activity at the other boroughs....because if the other boroughs has 2x more violence...than the Bronx, in comparison, would not be very "busy" at all. Please post all boroughs IN THEIR ENTIRETY for an accurate assessment....as it stands now your post says nothing except there is violnce in the borough....we knew that already....lets see how "safe" the other boroughs supposedly are!

[scatman]

Originally Posted by baylovers

From the this morning's NYPD press releases, the boogie-down was busy:

ON MONDAY, DECEMBER 31, 2007, AT APPROXIMATELY 1857 HOURS, IN FRONT OF 1236 GRAND CONCOURSE, IN THE CONFINES OF THE 44 PRECINCT, POLICE RESPONDED TO A REPORT OF SHOTS FIRED. UPON ARRIVAL IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE VICTIM, A M/H/35 WAS INVOLVED IN A DISPUTE WITH A M/H/25. DURING THE DISPUTE THE VICTIM WAS SHOT TWICE IN THE CHEST BY THE SUSPECT WHO FLED THE SCENE. THE VICTIM WAS TRANSPORTED TO BRONX LEBANON HOSPITAL WHERE HE WAS PRONOUNCED D.O.A. THERE ARE NO ARRESTS AT THIS TIME, THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING.

ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 1, 2008 AT APPROXIMATELY 0209 HOURS, IN THE VICINITY OF ROCKAWAY AVE & BLAKE AVENUE, IN THE CONFINES OF THE 73 PRECINCT, POLICE RESPONDED TO A REPORT OF SHOTS FIRED. UPON ARRIVAL A M/B/26 WAS FOUND WITH A GUNSHOT WOUND TO THE CHEST. THE VICTIM WAS REMOVED TO BROOKDALE HOSPITAL WHERE HE WAS PRONOUNCED D.O.A. AT 0300 HOURS. THERE ARE NO ARRESTS AT THIS TIME, THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING.

ON TUESDAY 1/1/08 AT APPROXIMATELY 0039 HOURS ON LENOX AVENUE BETWEEN WEST 129 STREET AND WEST 130 STREET, IN THE CONFINES OF THE 32 PRECINCT, OFFICERS ON PATROL WERE BREAKING UP A DISPUTE BETWEEN A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHEN THEY HEARD SHOTS FIRED. THE OFFICERS OBSERVED UNIDENTIFIED INDIVIDUAL(S) FIRING AT THEM FROM THE ROOFTOP OF 55 WEST 129 STREET. A CANVASS OF THE ROOFTOP RECOVERED SEVERAL SHELL CASINGS. THE OFFICERS RMP WAS STRUCK ONCE, NO OTHER INJURIES WERE REPORTED. NO ROUNDS WERE DISCHARGED BY THE OFFICERS. THERE ARE NO ARRESTS AT THIS TIME, THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING.

ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 1, 2008, AT APPROXIMATELY 0333 HOURS, INSIDE OF 968 BRONX PARK SOUTH, IN THE CONFINES OF THE 48 PRECINCT, POLICE RESPONDED TO A REPORT OF A MALE SHOT AT LOCATION. UPON ARRIVAL THEY FOUND A M/B/28 SHOT NUMEROUS TIMES. THE VICTIM WAS REMOVED TO ST. BARNABAS HOSPITAL WHERE HE WAS PRONOUNCED D.O.A. AT 0400 HOURS. THERE ARE NO ARRESTS AT THIS TIME, THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING.

ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 1, 2008, AT APPROXIMATELY 0310 HOURS, IN THE V/O E. 183 ST. & WALTON AVENUE, IN THE CONFINES OF THE 46 PRECINCT, POLICE RESPONDED TO A REPORT OF A LARGE DISPUTE AT THE LOCATION. UPON ARRIVAL THEY FOUND A M/B/17 STABBED TWICE IN THE STOMACH. THE VICTIM WAS REMOVED TO ST. BARNABAS HOSPITAL WHERE HE WAS PRONOUNCED D.O.A. AT 0339 HOURS. THERE ARE NO ARRESTS AT THIS TIME, THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING.

ON TUESDAY 01/01/08 AT APPROXIMATELY 0004 HOURS, IN THE VICINITY OF 1800 DAVIDSON AVENUE, IN THE CONFINES OF THE 46 PRECINCT, UNIFORMED OFFICERS ON PATROL APPROACHED A M/B WHO THEY BELIEVED WAS ARMED WITH A FIREARM. AS THE OFFICERS APPROACHED, THE SUSPECT RAN INTO 1780 DAVIDSON AVENUE. THE OFFICERS FOLLOWED AND ONCE INSIDE THE LOBBY OF THE LOCATION SHOTS WERE FIRED. THE SUSPECT FLED THE SCENE AND A CANVASS OF THE BUILDING ENSUED. DURING THE CANVASS POLICE WERE LED TO APARTMENT #6A INSIDE OF 1800 DAVIDSON AVENUE, WHERE THE SUSPECT WAS FOUND WITH A GUNSHOT WOUND TO THE BUTTOCKS. A 9MM HANDGUN WAS ALSO RECOVERED FROM THE AREA. THE SUSPECT WAS REMOVED TO ST. BARNABAS HOSPITAL WHERE HE IS LISTED IN STABLE CONDITION. CHARGES ARE PENDING. NO OFFICERS WERE INJURED IN THIS INCIDENT

ON TUESDAY 01/01/08 AT APPROXIMATELY 0039 HOURS IN FRONT OF 7 WEST FARM SQUARE PLAZA, IN THE CONFINES OF THE 48 PRECINCT, UNIFORMED OFFICERS ON PATROL HEARD SHOTS FIRED WHEN THEY OBSERVED AN UNIDENTIFIED M/H ARMED WITH A FIREARM. THE OFFICERS CRUISER WAS STRUCK ONCE AND THE SUSPECT FLED THE SCENE. NO ROUNDS WERE FIRED BY THE OFFICERS AND NO INJURIES WERE REPORTED. SEVERAL 9MM SHELL CASINGS WERE RECOVERED AT THE SCENE

Not to excuse it, but from the times of those incidents, it seems more like a case of New Year's Rockin' Eve than anything else.

[Guywithacause]

Scatman....yes I suspect these incidents were a case of somebody stepping on somebody else's new 2008 Michael Vick special Edition Puma SupaFly Sneakers at a house party with way too much Alize and Hypnotiq. So it is not a realistic assessment of anything....lots of hype though...thanks baylover!

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by bx718

I guess I spoke prematurely. There were two killings in the 183rd area. 1 fatal stabbing and a shooting. Over 15 shots were fired and a 3 yr old girl was hit by a bullet. An old lady watching t.v. also had a bullet through her t.v. as her new year's present.

183rd and walton , 183rd and tiebod. I guess 183rd is living up to it's "rep"

Also a shooting at west farms.

This is the type of stuff that has me defending the bronx when i'm with my friends. I guess operation impact is coming in just in time????

Yes most definetely.....dont forget the stabbing on 183rd and Bathgate....(east Tremont)......the 183rd strip has a whole mess of problems.

Also a shooting on 175th and Davidson.

But why wouldn't they add more cops to the 48th precinct? I think they need it more than the 44th.

[Guywithacause]

SuperMario..please post the violence in the other boroughs as well....your list of Bronx violence may in fact be miniscule and small compared to the rampant violence that may exist in the other boroughs. In order to really know how the Bronx, and these neighborhoods are doing..we must compare them to other areas in the city. Just listing random acts of violence paints the wrong picture of the Bronx...lets hear about the violence in the rest of the city BEFORE judging the area.

[bx718]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

But why wouldn't they add more cops to the 48th precinct? I think they need it more than the 44th.

i doubt the top brass of the nypd wants to take a lot of heat for cops being shot at etc if they put those rookie cops in the extremely high crime areas. Or maybe the precinct assignments were by semi-random. who knows? The whole borough needs operation impact.

The thing that I think is most crucial is that, you don't kill a fire by putting out the smoke. Putting cops on the street is good but it's nothing but attacking the smoke.

The root of the problem, poverty, has to be addressed. The lack-luster attitude of the kids towards education, rampant vagabonds, improper parenting all contribute to producing a very careless population. These kids grow up thinking if you can "thug it out" and "keep it real" then you're the man. Why will such a kid go to school, if he can just drop out of school, shoot a few people, earn some street cred, sell some drugs, "bag some girls" and jump start his "rap career". why the hell will this kid go to school and learn any useful trades?

why are the city schools so under equipped? why? why is education funded by property taxes? by the time these kids turn 15 it's already a lost cause. no matter how many cops you put on the street, they will still commit crimes and end up in the system. if the bronx will improve, it will have to displace the low income people completely or tackle the poverty issue. simply throwing cops on the beat is not going to do much. hell, look at the press report these kids were SHOOTING at the cops. and guess what, teh kid that did that, is gonna be hailed REAL. now all the other kids have someone to look up to.

[baylovers]

Guywithacause... if you read the release carefully you will see that there is an incident in Brooklyn (which was the first homicide of the year) and another in Manhattan. I only highlighted the Bronx incidents because the thread was about the Bronx. I don't know why the department did not include this in the release, but there was also a male shot in the 114 Pct in Queens in the PJ's on Astoria Blvd near 2 St. I am sorry to burst your bubble that the Bronx is some bedroom community that is overshadowed by those out-of-control "other boroughs"

Sorry 7th Floor... no link for ya. But here is an interesting one where you can follow crime/emergencies as they happen. http://gothamist.com/labs/map

[spydrman718]

Originally Posted by bx718

I guess I spoke prematurely. There were two killings in the 183rd area. 1 fatal stabbing and a shooting. Over 15 shots were fired and a 3 yr old girl was hit by a bullet. An old lady watching t.v. also had a bullet through her t.v. as her new year's present.

183rd and walton , 183rd and tiebod. I guess 183rd is living up to it's "rep"

Also a shooting at west farms.

This is the type of stuff that has me defending the bronx when i'm with my friends. I guess operation impact is coming in just in time????

Impact been in the Bronx. Matter fact impact been in those same precincts for years now. Impact really though is just more manpower. Problem is NYPD has been loosing so much cops to retirements and better opportunities elseware. In the end they still end up undermanned and those who don't have impact are really screwed over. Operation Impact is political really and a great revenue maker for the city. A lot of summonses are given for petty quality of life crimes like peeing on the street.

Originally Posted by bx718

The root of the problem, poverty, has to be addressed.

True and thats the only way to make change. The problem is many if not most of those people are stuck. Only way to make change would be kicking them out.

Originally Posted by baylovers

Guywithacause... if you read the release carefully you will see that there is an incident in Brooklyn (which was the first homicide of the year) and another in Manhattan. I only highlighted the Bronx incidents because the thread was about the Bronx. I don't know why the department did not include this in the release, but there was also a male shot in the 114 Pct in Queens in the PJ's on Astoria Blvd near 2 St. I am sorry to burst your bubble that the Bronx is some bedroom community that is overshadowed by those out-of-control "other boroughs"

Sorry 7th Floor... no link for ya. But here is an interesting one where you can follow crime/emergencies as they happen. http://gothamist.com/labs/map

Crazy. Imagine that's not even everything that happened last night. The Bronx always has a ton of crime for such a small geographical area. You should check out one of the end year murder maps. Crazy. http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...ICIDE_MAP.html

[cyrusjul]

Even though crime still happens in the city, and in the Bronx. I am so happy that crime seems to actually keep going down.

[Guywithacause]

Baylover ...I do not assert nor do I believe that the Bronx is a bedroom community that is overshadowed by anything. I do believe that crime in the borough ahs decreased dramatically and CONTINUES to decrease. When the list of activity is posted with no other reference, it simply portrays a skewed picture of the borough. That is not to say that the borough is crime free or paradise..but a reference is necessary in order to know what is really happening in the borough.

I have no problem reading about crime in the borough...but make sure you compare it to what esle is happening in the city. If ALOT of crime is ONLY happening in the Bronx...that is a serious concern....however if SOME crime is occuring in the Bronx while ALOT of crime is occuring in Brooklyn and Queens for example....that puts a different perspective on the Bronx. Both state facts...but each put a different perspective on whats happening. Just trying to be fair is all..

BX718..I agree that the only REAL way to make changes in the Bronx...and most areas throughout the city, is to displace extreme concentrations of poverty...and I believe that is what the city is doing. The real estate market has doen some of the dirty work, as many places in NYC that were one forbidding have changed dramtically just from the sheer pricing of housing...bringing in a new set of residents and diluting the "old guard."

The Bronx is no different, dramtically higher housing prices have come to the borough, and along with that rent increases across the board. Furthermore, the new housing going in is either market rate 2/3 family homes selling for $600,000++ or affordable housing with income limits of approx $30,000-$80,000 depending on family size, # of bedrooms, etc. So the housing prices, rent increases, and new housing is bringing in a new class of people to the borough and diluting the poverty and severe class segregation.

In the end...I think this bodes well for the borough..and the new classes of people, developments, retail, and amenities, will have a significant impact on the community over the next 5 years.