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Do pro gun states like Texas simply have much less armed robberies?
Also, I say this is not about gun rights, but more like the poor native NYers have no other choice but to rob the wealthier transplants at their hipster coffee shops.
This is really about economics and the plight that gentrification is causing, which in turn is about the overall issue with income and wealth disparity in this country.
Even if we let everyone have guns, the poor will still try and take from the rich if that is their only choice. And if the rich are armed to, then we will just have shootouts after shootouts.
The FBI crime stats for 2011 say Texas had 50.21 robberies by firearm per 100,000 people while New York had 23.28, less than half of the Texas rate, so it would seem that the possibility of a victim having a gun does not deter a dirtbag. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...E&hl=en#gid=10
Most of Upstate NY is sensible when it comes to the right to bear arms and the second amendment. NYC is full of ignorant liberals and the biggest supporters of gun restrictions tend to be Jews who control the media and city politics.
If NYS was free of the hoards of NYC, it would be much different. Still in upstate New York it is easier to get concealed carry permits and much easier to get home and business permits.
Getting a handgun permit for the home or business can be done it is just a headache and pain. Concealed carry is virtually banned with few exceptions. It will take a lawsuit to change things. In Washington, D.C. Of all places there is a suit that was filed and a federal appeals court judge ruled dc must allow concealed carry. Dc established a restrictive concealed carry permit just like nyc and that is being challenged. Hopefully the original judge rules that that restrictive system is not in line with his ruling mandating a concealed carry permit system.
People who intend to do harm aren't going to follow the laws so all these tyrannical gun restrictions do is keep guns out of the hands of regular citizens and make them subject to the thugs with knives or guns. Part of the problem is NYC is too big and it is ridiculous that it is 5 counties. It is terrible that way of life can be dictated by people who live in a totally different neighborhood or county. If each county was separate then we could just move away from the thugs and say fu to anti white diversity
Arizona that has "Constitutional Carry" ... no permit is required to carry a handgun either openly or concealed. ... Sure there have been armed robberies, most involve the narcotics trade. ... criminals have absolutely no idea whether their potential victims are armed
Read the chart in post #11. The armed robbery & shooting rates in AZ are double those of NY, so it would appear that legal handguns have no deterrent effect in AZ.
The FBI crime stats for 2011 say Texas had 50.21 robberies by firearm per 100,000 people while New York had 23.28, less than half of the Texas rate, so it would seem that the possibility of a victim having a gun does not deter a dirtbag. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...E&hl=en#gid=10
I am actually surprised
Is that NY, NY state or NYC compared to all of Texas.
NY State has different guns laws than NYC. You can get weapons easier on Long Island or Upstate than in NYC.
I think in practice, I wouldn't use a gun even if I had one. Then there's also the aspect that I highly doubt I'll incur a situation where I'll be held up like this given where I live and hang out. The only situation in my family's history where this has been an issue was when my grandfather was shot down classic mob-style in '62, but this was in Chicago.
I think in the end, I don't really care as I always vote republican and they tend to go for pro-gun. I just want lower taxes. But then, I also live a very non-paranoid life, and if this were to happen to me, well, it happens I guess. If I cared more, I probably wouldn't even consider living in a city.
before nyc switched handgun permit types odds were most permit holders carried under the old target hunting permit system since it was only an administrative violation if you got caught..
there were most likely armed people on the train around you or on the street every day and no one knew it. there were no shoot outs like the wild west either.
those that felt comfortable carried and those that didn't did not but the bottom line was you never knew how many or whom was armed around you..
there are about 35,0000 permit holders in nyc not including another 37,000 police. .
Licenses held by retired law enforcement officers (14,809). Retired police officers are usually permitted to keep and carry a personal handgun.
Premises licenses, residential (14,439). Licenses issued to residents to keep a handgun at home.
“Carry licenses” for security guards (3,241). Licenses issued to actively employed security guards to carry a holstered handgun during their regular work shifts. The guard may carry the gun directly to or from his or her residence and workplace. At all other times, the handgun must be stored, unloaded, in a locked container, either at home (within New York State) or the workplace.
“Full carry” licenses (2,291). Licenses issued to residents who have demonstrated a specific need to carry a holstered handgun on their persons. The category includes people who have received threats or who regularly handle large amounts of cash.
“Special carry” licenses (1,046). Similar to “full carry” licenses, these licenses are issued to residents of New York State who live outside of New York City but have gone through the valid process for carrying a handgun in their home jurisdiction.
Premises licenses, commercial (872). Licenses issued to business owners to keep a firearm at their place of business.
“Limited carry” licenses (241). Similar to “full carry” licenses, except that the license carries specific conditions and restrictions — for example, carrying a holstered handgun while making a cash delivery from a place of business to a specific bank branch. The handgun must be stored at the place of business listed at all other times.
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Way too many idiots and hot heads in NYC for everyone to be armed. For anyone from out of state, you just don't understand. But think of when you visit as a tourist and laugh at how we honk our car horns at each other for almost no logical reasoning whatsoever. Its cultural.
why would you ever think everyone would be armed or even qualify for a permit?
anyone who wants a permit to have something at home could get one now as long as they have a clean record. do you see everyone running to get one?
first off the costs are very restrictive in nyc . so those who want one will get one any way without a permit.
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