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Old 12-10-2014, 03:44 AM
 
Location: Not where I want to be
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The entertainment industry is full of drugs and we all know it. Yet there are no mass arrests.

And in well to do circles, coke is often a drug of choice. Yet no mass arrests of the wealthy.

Addiction is widespread among all socioeconomic circles, yet people only want to punish poor people for addiction (narcotics, selling loosies, etc). Why is that?


Sometimes it's HOW you do things rather than what you're actually doing.

In wealthy areas or in the entertainment industry, you don't have people hanging out on corners acting like morons selling their drugs or walking around wasted and annoying everyone else, stealing from bodegas and grocery stores to get money for their fix. begging people for 'change', or prostituting themselves.

They put themselves out there, drawing all kinds of attention to their illegal activities. They do everything just short of holding up a neon sign that says "HERE I AM, I'M DOING ILLEGAL STUFF, ARREST ME!"

I've yet to see anyone selling loosies in wealthy areas.
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Old 12-10-2014, 03:52 AM
 
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Why wasn't Phillip Seymour Hoffman arrested by the NYPD for drug possession? Clearly, he broke the law...
Because the transaction and use likely all occurred within the confines of a private residence. Garner should of been more shady and kept his illegal business activities off of other peoples properties. What a dumb comparison.
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Old 12-10-2014, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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The problem with Nywriter's theory is that he is seizing upon one tragic story to paint a false picture of the justice system.

Not every - or even a noticeable percentage - of minority criminals who encounter the police are killed, injured, or even sent to jail at all. On the contrary, just like every other race, when arrested for low level crimes, minority perps overwhelmingly receive desk appearance tickets, ACD's, time served, etc. Anyone who tries to debate that fact has clearly never spent a minute in an arraignment court part in NYC.

As others have said, the Eric Garners (not GarDner Nywriter...) of the world blatantly conduct their illegal activity right out in the open where everyone, including cops of course, can see them, while the Phillip Seymour Hoffman's of the world hole up in their fancy apartments and art gallery functions to stick needles in their own arms.
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Old 12-10-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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Sure they could. They could have just told him to walk away from the area that he was hanging in. Just because someone calls the cops does not mean they have to arrest someone.
Even if they did do that Garner had been locked up on similar charges two or three times recently and had cases pending against him for the same crime. NYPD knew who he was by name, his "widow" spoke of that in her interview with Meet the press. How many passes are the NYPD supposed to give the same guy for the same crime?

The store merchants were fed up with him disrupting their businesses, the Cops were under orders to get quality of life criminals off the street. Every variation of this story comes down to the same conclusion. Garner was an unhealthy, known criminal who was over weight, very unhealthy got himself worked up when he resisted arrest and died. That's how anyone with a logical mind including the Grand jury saw it.
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Old 12-10-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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In every environment I have ever been to that had a lot of young people, there were drugs and that INCLUDES the IVY LEAGUE ITSELF. There are no places where every single person you meet will be DRUG FREE! A lot of fashionable, mostly white nightclubs full of well off people, when people want to get high off coke they go in the bathroom and snort. And they rarely get busted and certainly aren't killed by the cops.

Well, I've known college people, tourists, and business people to buy from people like Eric Gardner. No, they may not want him in their neighborhood, but they will certainly do business with his type. I've witnessed it first hand plenty of times.

So clearly wealthy people can do drugs, get arrested multiple times for alcohol related offenses (Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Robert Downey Jr,) and nothing happens to them at all. But a poor man is killed for selling loosies.

Some justice and it is clearly the cops don't come down on you when you have MONEY!

As for the loosies on campus, clearly that's a police issue if Eric Gardner can be killed for it. So when are the cops going to do a hard investigation of college campuses to sniff out drugs and people selling loosies?
A lot of fashionable, mostly white nightclubs full of well off people, when people want to get high off coke they go in the bathroom and snort. And they rarely get busted and certainly aren't killed by the cops. Again, they are getting high in a private establishment. The nightclub owners need to enforce their policy not the police dept.

Well, I've known college people, tourists, and business people to buy from people like Eric Gardner. No, they may not want him in their neighborhood, but they will certainly do business with his type I highly doubt that college students, tourists and business people would care if Eric got arrested/killed doing his illegal activity they will simply move on to the next one.

So clearly wealthy people can do drugs, get arrested multiple times for alcohol related offenses (Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Robert Downey Jr,) and nothing happens to them at all. But a poor man is killed for selling loosies. Did Lohan, Hilton, and Downey resist arrest?

Some justice and it is clearly the cops don't come down on you when you have MONEY! No shyt Einstein!
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Old 12-10-2014, 07:54 AM
 
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In fact, you’ll discover that anyone of any color who obeys the law and doesn’t fight cops will almost certainly avoid being killed by them. Yes, there are exceptions. There are tragic accidents, mistakes, and misunderstandings — like the poor young boy who was shot after brandishing a realistic toy gun on the playground a few days ago — but these are the exception to the rule. For the most part, in the vast majority of cases, if you follow the law and avoid provoking violent encounters with the police, you will not be ‘hunted’ by anyone.
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Old 12-10-2014, 08:25 AM
 
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According to the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund, there have been 74 "unarmed victims of color murdered by police" since 1999, or nearly 5 per year. Their list is pretty dubious, since it includes several people killed by security guards and not police, includes all deaths whether or not they were self defense by the cop, etc. It also includes all deaths, not just gunfights, including vehicular accidents, etc. But for the sake of argument, let's not parse out the numbers and stick with that 5 a year.

According to the FBI, do you know how many arrests there are in the USA per year? Over 14 million. I was stunned by that number, but it's a solid FBI number collated between 2004 and 2009. 14 million + per year. That means there is an "unarmed person of color" killed (and remember, not all of those are unjustified) per every 2.8 million arrests. If we tossed out the self defense, the ones that weren't actually killed by cops, etc. the ratio would continue to go up.

There are some weekends in Chicago where more than 74 are shot in black on black violence.
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Old 12-10-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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According to the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund, there have been 74 "unarmed victims of color murdered by police" since 1999, or nearly 5 per year. Their list is pretty dubious, since it includes several people killed by security guards and not police, includes all deaths whether or not they were self defense by the cop, etc. It also includes all deaths, not just gunfights, including vehicular accidents, etc. But for the sake of argument, let's not parse out the numbers and stick with that 5 a year.

According to the FBI, do you know how many arrests there are in the USA per year? Over 14 million. I was stunned by that number, but it's a solid FBI number collated between 2004 and 2009. 14 million + per year. That means there is an "unarmed person of color" killed (and remember, not all of those are unjustified) per every 2.8 million arrests. If we tossed out the self defense, the ones that weren't actually killed by cops, etc. the ratio would continue to go up.

There are some weekends in Chicago where more than 74 are shot in black on black violence.
But Black lives Matter!! Oh yeah, it's only when it's a white person that does the killing..
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Old 12-10-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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A lot of fashionable, mostly white nightclubs full of well off people, when people want to get high off coke they go in the bathroom and snort. And they rarely get busted and certainly aren't killed by the cops. Again, they are getting high in a private establishment. The nightclub owners need to enforce their policy not the police dept.

Oh no, it's still illegal regardless of where it's done and the police department is perfectly capable of sending undercovers in those places. They don't though, because they do not target well off white people.

Well, I've known college people, tourists, and business people to buy from people like Eric Gardner. No, they may not want him in their neighborhood, but they will certainly do business with his type I highly doubt that college students, tourists and business people would care if Eric got arrested/killed doing his illegal activity they will simply move on to the next one.

Some of those people are out protesting his death. But even for those who don't care, they are still dealing with Gardner types and as the supplier of money/purchaser are clearly the source of the problem.

So clearly wealthy people can do drugs, get arrested multiple times for alcohol related offenses (Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Robert Downey Jr,) and nothing happens to them at all. But a poor man is killed for selling loosies. Did Lohan, Hilton, and Downey resist arrest?

Did Gardner resist arrest? After the cops took him down, all they had to do was back off him when he said he couldn't breathe and immediately help him. They didn't and now he's dead. This does not happen to well off white people.

Some justice and it is clearly the cops don't come down on you when you have MONEY! No shyt Einstein!
And that's the bottom line, cops do not target those with no money.
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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And that's the bottom line, cops do not target those with no money.
Oh no, it's still illegal regardless of where it's done and the police department is perfectly capable of sending undercovers in those places. They don't though, because they do not target well off white people.

If the nightclub owners are not complaining, why would NYPD send undercops?? People doing drugs, etc also happens in minority nightclubs.

Did Gardner resist arrest? Did you see the video?

After the cops took him down, all they had to do was back off him when he said he couldn't breathe and immediately help him. How are the cops to know that is not a ruse? Every time a criminal states the handcuffs are too tight, a police office should un-cuff them and hope for the best. Eric should have not resisted and allowed the cops to arrest him like a professional criminal with 30 prior arrest under his belt.

They didn't and now he's dead. This does not happen to well off white people. Well off people of every race are not committing illegal activities out in a public setting.

You should listen to what this guy is saying.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPUcA7yrErg
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