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Old 12-15-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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It was a mistake and it wasn't. The GOP couldn't win that election, but that's still going to be the issue that brings NYC back to a Republican mayor. Crime and taxes are the only weapons they have in a city with an 8/1 Democratic-to-Republican voter ratio. Why else did we have 20 years of GOP-endorsed mayors?

When the crime rate goes up - and it inevitably will - bring in a Republican who says he'll make cigarettes cheaper, fight to lower the tolls, and make sure your street is safer, and he'll be a lot more successful than Lhota was. Not a Bloomberg type who wants to ban salt in restaurants and take away your big gulp, but a Republican who is a social liberal who says it's none of my business what you drink, eat, or smoke, and says live and let live.
Saying the crime rate will go up is like saying the sun will rise. Crime in NYC goes up and down seasonally.

But if all the local GOP has is fear mongering (particularly to older ethnic whites) then they need new issues to campaign for.

It's probably why the last Republican mayor, Bloomberg, was a businessman who campaigned on what he could do for the city economically. Giuliani was likely an anomaly in the city's history (Giuliani's law and order was partially because he hoped to use being the man who civilized NYC to run for President ,but that blew up on his face).

In fact, Giuliani is likely why we will never get that kind of Republican. Giuliani, as Republican mayor of NYC was too liberal to move up in his career on a federal level. He tried very hard to impress the national Republican party, but throwing everyone in jail in NYC just didn't cut it.

Without running someone like Bloomberg, will a GOP candidate in NYC even get enough donations to properly challenge a Democratic candidate. NY is not seen as the number one place to send money donated to the GOP for.

If the GOP can move beyond the Giuliani years and beyond crime issues it can recapture NYC. Bloomberg did that, but then he distanced himself from the Republicans and became an independent.
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Old 12-15-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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The ban on smoking in restaurants and bars is state wide and beyond who the major of NYC is.
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:00 PM
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Saying the crime rate will go up is like saying the sun will rise. Crime in NYC goes up and down seasonally.

But if all the local GOP has is fear mongering (particularly to older ethnic whites) then they need new issues to campaign for.
A large portion of the city is either too young to remember the high crime times or wasn't there. I think the best way for a Republican to win is to focus on a message of good government management, fiscal responsibility (including, not giving in to city worker unions). And yes, crime though making it a main focus nor in a way that's racially polarizing. And surely a "live or let live" Republican could support ending marijuana arrests, and maybe weakening enforcement for some minor crimes.
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:36 PM
 
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Dinkins won against the incumbent Ed Koch. Koch lost because he was embroiled in scandals and his indifference towards race relations in the city. Crime was still high then.
And Koch was probably worse towards black people because he basically ran on a platform of containing them to their own areas. Granted, different city, different time, we were broke, broken and crime was rampart. The city was BUCK WILD. Looking back on that now from the time Koch took office, the under takings he took on and manage to accomplish were considered an epic success. Looking back now, crime was still out of control and that's taking into account the success Koch had at combating crime. His third term was pretty bad, the city took several steps back with Dinkins before Giuliani took us out of the muck and mire, and that took him a couple of years as well. The first tiem the murder rate fell below 1000 yearly homicides it was up around 997 for the year. I remember the murder countdown clock on NY1 and thinking wow we are celebrating the fact that only 997 people were murder victims.The number declined steadily since than.

Sadly history tends to repeat itself in cycles, and i'm not saying DB can undo everything that was accomplished prior to his administration in one or two terms, but he can certanily set the stage for the wheels to come off the wagon at some point.

It took this city roughly 20 years starting with Koch's first term to midway through Giuilani's first term to get this city back to being a player on the world stage. Bloomberg was the right Mayor to follow Rudy because he was able to take this city into a new direction, while continuing the success Giuilani had while steering is through the aftermath of 911 and an economic collapse. I wouldn't want to lay that all on the door step of deBlasio. DB isn't capable of handling issue's like that.
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:38 PM
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Are there less Italians and Irish than there were 20 years ago? Sure. There's also a lot more Russians, and they went for Lhota. Other than blacks in Coney Island and Chinese in Bensonhurst, Lhota swept Southern Brooklyn. Likewise, other than black and Latino slums, Lhota swept Staten Island... and Lhota was an inferior candidate.

Breezy Point, Howard Beach, all of the predictable white neighborhoods went for Lhota. For the Republicans to win again, things only need to continue to go the way they're going. Jews, Asians, and many other traditionally liberal groups support the police and don't want thugs in their neighborhoods. Bloomberg was too successful. Crime was too low. People don't look for a law & order conservative when they're not afraid to go out at night.
Lhota didn't do that well in many "native, non-transplant white" neighborhoods. DeBlasio carried much of Bay Ridge or only lost it by a small margin; he only lost badly in the wealthiest homeowner areas.

New York City Mayor - 2013 Election Results - NYTimes.com

Similar story with Bayside, Lhota's margin was small there. DeBlasio carried a lot of Forest Hills and Riverdale. Greenpoint went for DeBlasio by a big margin, not all the voters there are hipster-types. If you exclude the Orthodox Jewish portions of Brooklyn, Lhota didn't win by much. A Republican would need to win the white vote by huge margins and get a decent portion of minority voters. Here's what a winning Republican map looks like:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ayor-vote.html

Even Park Slope went Republican, though very narrowly. Ditto with most of Manhattan. Places like Bay Ridge and Bayside went Republican by 30%+ margins.
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:43 PM
 
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Guiliani will use any excuse to change the subject.
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Old 12-15-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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Guiliani will use any excuse to change the subject.
Change what subject? He was the best thing that happened to this city in a generation. He had his issues, however his term as mayor is nothing short if a complete success.
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Old 12-15-2014, 06:38 PM
 
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Lhota didn't do that well in many "native, non-transplant white" neighborhoods. DeBlasio carried much of Bay Ridge or only lost it by a small margin; he only lost badly in the wealthiest homeowner areas.

New York City Mayor - 2013 Election Results - NYTimes.com

Similar story with Bayside, Lhota's margin was small there. DeBlasio carried a lot of Forest Hills and Riverdale. Greenpoint went for DeBlasio by a big margin, not all the voters there are hipster-types. If you exclude the Orthodox Jewish portions of Brooklyn, Lhota didn't win by much. A Republican would need to win the white vote by huge margins and get a decent portion of minority voters. Here's what a winning Republican map looks like:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ayor-vote.html

Even Park Slope went Republican, though very narrowly. Ditto with most of Manhattan. Places like Bay Ridge and Bayside went Republican by 30%+ margins.
The truth of the matter is that pretty much every canidate in the last election was terrible. De Blasio's campaign was just slightly better then the rest.
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:31 PM
 
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Rudolph Giuliani Not Welcome in Bill de Blasio’s New York | New York Observer

Interesting article on Giuliani's fall from relevance.
And good freaking riddance to bad rubbish!!

Rudy is now one of those insane Fox News "contributors" saying the stupidest nonsense he can think of to earn that Fox check.

He's absolutely ridiculous. Who knows? He might even post on CD for all we know.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:38 PM
 
Location: New York City
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The ban on smoking in restaurants and bars is state wide and beyond who the major of NYC is.
Who said anything about smoking in restaurants?
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