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Old 01-05-2018, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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How did the American system failed him? I am not understanding that part..
What failed him? The welfare system failed him. Welfare system did not assist him with empowerment and to move away from welfare, or if not failed his mother which also failed him too. Welfare is not supposed to be a life time aid. Education system in NYC failed him. He did not learn anything from the NYC education system, same could be said for millions of native New Yorkers at best. The prison industrial system also failed him. For some people, being prison once and that's that. I know folks who vow not to go back to prison again, and its not easy. The prison system never worked out for Eric Garner because he ended up going back into the system. Prison system never taught this man a lesson, the prison system failed to rehabilitate thus allowing him to go back into the system, over and over. But also he Eric Garner also failed at the American system. He never used the NYC educational system to its maximum affect, he did not take effort rehabilitate while being in and out of the prison system.
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Old 01-05-2018, 10:56 AM
 
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The Eric Garner incident made me so disgusted at NYPD's tactics and my fellow mankind. I was very annoyed that Mr. Garner was so lacking in ambition that he felt the need to be such a community nuisance and put himself out there to be harrased everyday for benefit and wealth gain of someone who is likely in the top 5%.

It was dumb and inefficient for NYPD to expend so much resource in apprehending and investigating someone who is selling loosies. Isn't it a more efficient (and profitable ) task to go after the person who is importing and selling these cigarettes wholesale to the corner stores to be sold as loosies?

Would they have been as gung ho if it were Kyle in Manhattan selling his friend a cigarette from a pack that he purchased?

Eric Garner died and it didn't put one dent in the sale of loosies. Issuing a citation and being on their merry way to investigate where these untaxed cigarettes came from would have made a diferrence.
The article is pretty insightful.

NYPD was called by the residents,landlords, business owners, etc to stop the issue.

Article: "The spot where officers approached Mr. Garner on July 17 had already that year been the site of at least 98 arrests, 100 criminal court summonses, 646 calls to 911 and nine complaints to 311."

The landlord of the building where Eric was arrested stated: "He said in a recent interview that he complained only after physically fighting with the men on the block who sold drugs. The cigarette sellers, he said, provided cover for more illicit activities."

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/n...en-island.html

The business of loose cigarettes is simple and longstanding. Drive to Pennsylvania or Delaware or a nearby Indian reservation. Return to heavily taxed New York City with cheaper boxes of cigarettes. Sell for a profit. Repeat. Are we going to stop all cars coming from PA or Delaware and check for cigs?
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Old 01-05-2018, 11:08 AM
 
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The article is pretty insightful.

NYPD was called by the residents,landlords, business owners, etc to stop the issue.


Article: "The spot where officers approached Mr. Garner on July 17 had already that year been the site of at least 98 arrests, 100 criminal court summonses, 646 calls to 911 and nine complaints to 311."

The landlord of the building where Eric was arrested stated: "He said in a recent interview that he complained only after physically fighting with the men on the block who sold drugs. The cigarette sellers, he said, provided cover for more illicit activities."

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/n...en-island.html

The business of loose cigarettes is simple and longstanding. Drive to Pennsylvania or Delaware or a nearby Indian reservation. Return to heavily taxed New York City with cheaper boxes of cigarettes. Sell for a profit. Repeat. Are we going to stop all cars coming from PA or Delaware and check for cigs?

Well then if the highlighted is true good riddance.
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Old 01-05-2018, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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It is true, and all too often people hide the fact that the police respond to these incidents due to complaints from citizens, better citizens than the idiots who end up "heroes" in these sensational incidents.
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Old 01-05-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Gods country
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"The System" owes no one anything. This excuse is only valid when referring to crime victims when the perpetrator should have been behind bars (or executed) long ago, as should have been the case for Mr. Dozens-of-Arrests Garner.
The system is completely broken and not at all concerned with crime victims. It’s sole purpose is to cut deals for defendants, sometimes for multiple felony charges, get them to plead guilty and clear the system out. Garner was a POS that should have received a long jail stretch a very long time ago. He knew that he could do whatever he wanted to without fear of the “system”.
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Old 01-05-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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What failed him? The welfare system failed him. Welfare system did not assist him with empowerment and to move away from welfare, or if not failed his mother which also failed him too. Welfare is not supposed to be a life time aid. Education system in NYC failed him. He did not learn anything from the NYC education system, same could be said for millions of native New Yorkers at best. The prison industrial system also failed him. For some people, being prison once and that's that. I know folks who vow not to go back to prison again, and its not easy. The prison system never worked out for Eric Garner because he ended up going back into the system. Prison system never taught this man a lesson, the prison system failed to rehabilitate thus allowing him to go back into the system, over and over. But also he Eric Garner also failed at the American system. He never used the NYC educational system to its maximum affect, he did not take effort rehabilitate while being in and out of the prison system.
So basically liberal politicians and their policies failed him. And there is no change or turning back in sight. That vote is secured.

Obamacare would be bound to fail him eventually as well. The chokehold might have actually saved "the system" some money.
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Old 01-05-2018, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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It is true, and all too often people hide the fact that the police respond to these incidents due to complaints from citizens, better citizens than the idiots who end up "heroes" in these sensational incidents.
Not only is it true. The NYT interviewed the Middle Eastern owner of the shop that kept calling 311/911 on Garner and in the aftermath he said he regretted calling. In the end, the community got exactly what they wanted. Less policing, and instilled fear into shop owners that calling the NYPD would be bad for them. The hood rats will say they won. But what exactly have they won? They will keep killing each other, maiming each other, selling drugs and guns to each other. Their hood will continue to disintegrate. Shops will close up and eventually, big development will come in and bulldoze the entire area and they will have less than nothing but food-stamps, a welfare check and most likely some type of criminal record. But, somehow this is the white people's fault? F U C K that BS. I am officially WOKE YO, AND YA'ALL SHOULD BE TOO!
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