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Old 12-24-2014, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Westchester County, NY -> Pinellas County, FL -> Dutchess County, NY -> Denver?
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Florida is poorer than ever and New York seems to be wealthier than ever, because of NYC.

Poverty is exploding in the South.

15 Cities Where Poverty Is Soaring - Business Insider

And normal educated people who speak English properly is a rarity. Just annoying as hell NYer/Northern transplants (not the classy NYers, unfortunately), old people and S.A. immigrants.

Did you just say that?
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Old 12-24-2014, 07:45 AM
 
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Can anyone explain what difference it makes whether NY is 1st or 10th in population ? Why anyone should care ?
less tax base and less congressional seats, for starters.

Great job, Cuomo.
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Old 12-24-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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less tax base and less congressional seats, for starters.

Great job, Cuomo.
No, this has been a long time in the making. Places like Buffalo have declined every since the steel mill and related industrial collapse, and no matter whether NY has a Republican or a Democratic governor, there has not been a whole scale replacement.
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Old 12-24-2014, 07:57 AM
 
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NY has only lost population in one census(1970). So, it is a matter of pace in terms of population growth.

It is remarkable that a state that is 30th in land size is still 4th in population. Given the fact of the makeup of the NYC metro in terms of stretching over 3 or 4 states, it makes it even more remarkable.

Upstate NY, if it was its own state currently is still around 13-17th in population. So, if it was on its own or finally came to terms by consolidation duplicate services/governments, it would be a highly or higher ranked state in its own right.
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Old 12-24-2014, 07:57 AM
 
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No, this has been a long time in the making. Places like Buffalo have declined every since the steel mill and related industrial collapse, and no matter whether NY has a Republican or a Democratic governor, there has not been a whole scale replacement.
Of course areas in NY are in decline. NY doesn't exactly foster a friendly environment for industrial growth. Sure lots of growth opps in NYC, but what about the rest of the state? Taxes are absurd.
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Old 12-24-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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Of course areas in NY are in decline. NY doesn't exactly foster a friendly environment for industrial growth. Sure lots of growth opps in NYC, but what about the rest of the state? Taxes are absurd.
Growth has been varied in Upstate in terms of population and economically. For example, that is why Saratoga County has been the fastest growing county in the state in recent years with the presence of Global Foundries.

While taxes are a pain, business climate goes beyond taxes and if it was just about taxes, a state like Mississippi would be growing like wildfire.

Like I've said before, people should be pushing for government consolidation throughout the state and given that school taxes make up the biggest percentage of the total property tax, it would make sense to look at school district consolidation.

It also looks like NY will be 4th for a while, given the gap between 4th and 5th.
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Old 12-24-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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Growth has been varied in Upstate in terms of population and economically. For example, that is why Saratoga County has been the fastest growing county in the state in recent years with the presence of Global Foundries.

While taxes are a pain, business climate goes beyond taxes and if it was just about taxes, a state like Mississippi would be growing like wildfire.

Like I've said before, people should be pushing for government consolidation throughout the state and given that school taxes make up the biggest percentage of the total property tax, it would make sense to look at school district consolidation.

It also looks like NY will be 4th for a while, given the gap between 4th and 5th.
I couldn't agree with the bolded font more! Unfortunately, due to extreme racism on LI and presumably in other parts of the state, this won't ever happen. Not under referendum anyway.
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Old 12-24-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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NY has a larger immigration population unaccounted for in census despite FL also with large immigration. There are more immigrants here in NYC from abroad than just from the Caribbean.
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Old 12-24-2014, 08:18 AM
 
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NY has a larger immigration population unaccounted for in census despite FL also with large immigration. There are more immigrants here in NYC from abroad than just from the Caribbean.
Immigrants from Florida are from more than just the Caribbean too. Many immigrants from all over Latin America.

Most of NY's immigrant population is centered in metro NY. Upstate NY has comparatively few immigrants. Florida's immigrants are throughout the state.

In recent years due to gentrification I've known Hispanics to leave NY altogether for Florida. It's getting a lot harder for poor immigrants to remain in NYC, and I think their population here has flat lined at best.
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Old 12-24-2014, 08:21 AM
 
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I couldn't agree with the bolded font more! Unfortunately, due to extreme racism on LI and presumably in other parts of the state, this won't ever happen. Not under referendum anyway.
I think that is a part of it, but even when the districts up for consolidation have similar demographics, it is still a tough sell due to community identity and trouble adjusting to change. Economics may be an issue as well.

People have to keep in mind that the county school districts you see Down South weren't exactly created with open arms, as many were actually pushed through for reasons such as integration/choice and to get rid of layers of government/taxes. This was encouraged by the business community in many of these areas for the latter reason. So, it may be a matter of getting a proper plan to agree on and for people to come to grips with structural changes.

Once people saw how it helped their pockets in the South, they came to grips with the changes and I think that is what it is going to take here in NY for people to be comfortable with such a change. I believe it is something that could be done without sacrificing much, if done right.
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