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Old 02-07-2015, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Yeah right.
Do some research on the few types of pneumonia that the so called pneumonia vaccine actually is designed to prevent.
MANY people who have gotten the pneumonia vaccine get pneumonia and many die from it. It seems to be one of the very WORST of the vaccines.

EVERYONE that I know who has contracted pneumonia in the last 5 years has had the so-called pneumonia vaccine, EVERYONE.

What I ask is simple: PROVE EFFICACY AND SAFETY. And only THEN force vaccination on the public.
The pneumonia vaccines protect only against the strains of pneumococcal bacteria included in the vaccine. Many other bacteria and viruses other than the ones the vaccine covers can cause pneumonia.

Vaccines: VPD-VAC/Pneumo/main page

The pneumococcal vaccine would never be expected to prevent measles pneumonia.

Effectiveness of a vaccine must be shown in order for it to be licensed.

Every vaccine we have is safer than the disease it prevents.

 
Old 02-07-2015, 10:49 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Wait long enough and there WILL be a massive nightmare caused by inoculating the population.
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ok now we're getting somewhere, please elaborate - what do you think could potentially happen to the population? (besides eradicating disease)
 
Old 02-07-2015, 11:07 AM
 
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Well, Blake, I guess the polio vaccine was a nightmare for the people who made iron lungs. It put them out of business.

Restored iron lung has special meaning for one family
 
Old 02-07-2015, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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A contaminated batch could kill thousands. If it is contaminated like something communicable akin to Ebola or AIDS it could kill many, many more.
Some measles vaccines have already passed meningitis to it's unwary recipients.

Of the 3,969 medical compensation claims relating to vaccines in the last 30 years, a quarter had been made by those badly affected by the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, they say.

The triple jab was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions.

Official figures show there were three deaths while eight children were left with permanent handicaps ranging from damaged hearing and blindness to loss of control of limbs.


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I'm sure there were many hemophiliacs who were DELIGHTED with their immune factor that gave them AIDS. I say WERE because it killed most of them.

What will cause a contaminated batch that will kill thousands cannot be predicted and that very factor is it's danger.
And that's why knocking down goofs who scream out AUTISM is doing nothing but making a silly straw dog argument. There are thousands of things that can damage or kill and autism is only one. So NO AUTISM means absolutely nothing.

It would be one thing if U.S. Pharma has never had a recall, never had contaminated products, never caused deaths...but that is wishful thinking contrary to fact.
If measles were a deadly scourge, that would be a reason to take risks with a vaccine, but for most people it is a childhood disease that causes nothing more than a lifelong immunity.
 
Old 02-07-2015, 12:51 PM
 
Location: New York City
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A contaminated batch could kill thousands. If it is contaminated like something communicable akin to Ebola or AIDS it could kill many, many more.
Yeah the boogeyman has been known to do that. Always check under the examination bed first when getting your shot at the doctor's office
 
Old 02-07-2015, 01:07 PM
 
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Yeah the boogeyman has been known to do that. Always check under the examination bed first when getting your shot at the doctor's office
Doctor's office? What doctor's office?
 
Old 02-07-2015, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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A contaminated batch could kill thousands. If it is contaminated like something communicable akin to Ebola or AIDS it could kill many, many more.
Please explain how such contamination would occur.

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Some measles vaccines have already passed meningitis to it's unwary recipients.
The concern was about a particular mumps strain used in the Japanese vaccine. It is not in the US vaccine.

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/in...tion_sheet.pdf

"Jeryl Lynn strain. This strain has not been shown to cause aseptic meningitis. In the United States, a 10-year retrospective study of hospitalized cases found only one case of aseptic meningitis per 100 000 doses of Jeryl Lynn-containing MMR vaccine in children aged 12-23 months (Black et al., 1997). Another study found 1 per 1.8 million doses administered (Nalin,1992). In yet another study, it was associated with 1 case per million doses (Fescharek et al. 1990). It is such a rare event that when it does occur in association with the vaccine administration, it probably represents a coincidental occurrence."


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Of the 3,969 medical compensation claims relating to vaccines in the last 30 years, a quarter had been made by those badly affected by the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, they say.
Yes, the MMR can have complications, but the risk of complications from the vaccine is many times smaller than the risks of the three diseases it prevents.

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The triple jab was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions.

Official figures show there were three deaths while eight children were left with permanent handicaps ranging from damaged hearing and blindness to loss of control of limbs.
An interesting thing happened when Japan stopped using the MMR.

Autism did not decrease.

No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total pop... - PubMed - NCBI

Japan did not stop vaccinating for measles, mumps, or rubella, they just separated the vaccines. They now use a combined measles and rubella vaccine as a recommended, standard vaccine. Mumps vaccination is voluntary.

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I'm sure there were many hemophiliacs who were DELIGHTED with their immune factor that gave them AIDS. I say WERE because it killed most of them.
The product used by hemophiliacs is not an "immune factor". It is a blood clotting factor. Nothing to do with vaccines.

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What will cause a contaminated batch that will kill thousands cannot be predicted and that very factor is it's danger. And that's why knocking down goofs who scream out AUTISM is doing nothing but making a silly straw dog argument. There are thousands of things that can damage or kill and autism is only one. So NO AUTISM means absolutely nothing.
Can you cite a single instance of a "contaminated batch" of a vaccine that has ever "killed thousands"?

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It would be one thing if U.S. Pharma has never had a recall, never had contaminated products, never caused deaths...but that is wishful thinking contrary to fact.
If measles were a deadly scourge, that would be a reason to take risks with a vaccine, but for most people it is a childhood disease that causes nothing more than a lifelong immunity.
Would you never ride in an automobile because some models have had defects that killed people?

Measles is a "deadly scourge". It kills over 145,000 people a year worldwide, and vaccination is the reason it does not kill people in the US. For some people who survive, it can leave permanent disabilities. The risk of the disease is much greater than the risk of the vaccine.
 
Old 02-07-2015, 03:45 PM
 
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