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Old 02-02-2015, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Then why is it that a large percentage of us do manage to live in many neighborhoods in Brooklym,Queens and The Bronx,with no financial hardship ? Many of them pay more in rents or mortgages and property taxes than they would pay in much of NYC.

Let's face it,most of them live way the hell out there simply because they do not want to live in NYC. I won't get into why but most of us know why.
Because they don't want to live in the $hitty ghetto apartments that their mediocre salaries can pay for?

Because they can't afford private schools but they want their kids to go to at least "decent" schools?

How are they different from anybody else priced out of the city?
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:17 PM
 
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Large numbers of these families are drawing 2 city salaries with the infamous cop/teacher or fireman /teacher or some other combination and easily have household incomes in the 150,000 to 200,000 range so they are not hurting at all.
We're talking about subway workers here, who make around $40,000/year.

And very few of those "city worker" couples are "easily" making anywhere near $150K, let alone $200K.

Even two of those salaries barely gets you a decent one-bedroom in a far-flung outer borough neighborhood.

And forget about it if you have kids and need 2 or 3 bedrooms, let alone a decent school for them.
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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We're talking about subway workers here, who make around $40,000/year.

And very few of those "city worker" couples are "easily" making anywhere near $150K, let alone $200K.

Even two of those salaries barely gets you a decent one-bedroom in a far-flung outer borough neighborhood.

And forget about it if you have kids and need 2 or 3 bedrooms, let alone a decent school for them.
Well,you started out with subway workers but it was you yourself who brought up teachers and other workers so I responded to that because it's something I know a lot about.

If bringing back the residency laws is deemed impossible maybe the city should get draconian about getting rid of all the city employees who are habitually late or absent altogether because "it's snowing out".

At least pass a law to make them stop whining about their plight

If you were one of them would you be habitually late or absent or would you make sure you got to work and on time ? It really just takes a little dedication and effort.
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:29 PM
 
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Well,you started out with subway workers but it was you yourself who brought up teachers and other workers so I responded to that because it's something I know a lot about.
Apparently not as much as you think.

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If bringing back the residency laws is deemed impossible maybe the city should get draconian about getting rid of all the city employees who are habitually late or absent altogether because "it's snowing out". If you were one of them would you be habitually late or absent or would you make sure you got to work and on time ? It really just takes a little dedication and effort.
Even the most concerted effort is stopped dead in its tracks if your bus and/or train into the city is not running.
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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We're talking about subway workers here, who make around $40,000/year.

And very few of those "city worker" couples are "easily" making anywhere near $150K, let alone $200K.

Even two of those salaries barely gets you a decent one-bedroom in a far-flung outer borough neighborhood.

And forget about it if you have kids and need 2 or 3 bedrooms, let alone a decent school for them.

The city planners had a terrible design of the city by keeping so many gheeto animals within the city who polluted surrounding areas and made them unlivable and low class for decency-seeking families...

The harlem/WH/southern bronx in upper manhattan and many proximal areas in bklyn would have been prime locations for middle class families to live and contribute to the city. but the crime rate there drove a lot of good ppl out due to the concentration of projects filled with low class residents.
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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I think the city and state should institute a tax credit that grows each consecutive year you live in the city.

Tax credit for city residents?

I heard that the 3% city tax drove a lot of high earners out into LI.
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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The city planners had a terrible design of the city by keeping so many gheeto animals within the city who polluted surrounding areas and made them unlivable and low class for decency-seeking families...

The harlem/WH/southern bronx in upper manhattan and many proximal areas in bklyn would have been prime locations for middle class families to live and contribute to the city. but the crime rate there drove a lot of good ppl out due to the concentration of projects filled with low class residents.
That is not true at all.

Harlem ... Washington Heights ... the Bronx ... etc. all USED to be great places for middle class families.

Until upper class people (six figure earners) started pushing in, because they were pushed out of THEIR neighborhoods (Upper West Side, Brooklyn Heights, Chelsea, etc.) by the super-rich SEVEN figure earners.

And so it goes.
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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Even the most concerted effort is stopped dead in its tracks if your bus and/or train into the city is not running.
Yes,that happens very occasionally but I am talking about the very large numbers of fellow teachers specifically who are either late or leave early or are absent at least 10 or 12 or 15 times in the course of a winter,even winters with comparatively little snow and ice. Literally,1/2 of the teachers in my school were out today.
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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Tax credit for city residents?

I heard that the 3% city tax drove a lot of high earners out into LI.
"High earners" will live in the city as long as it's convenient for them, not based on a 3% tax.

If anything "drives" them out, it would be the cost of housing and private schooling vs. public schools for their kids.
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:38 PM
 
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Yes,that happens very occasionally but I am talking about the very large numbers of fellow teachers specifically who are either late or leave early or are absent at least 10 or 12 or 15 times in the course of a winter,even winters with comparatively little snow and ice.
You have no idea about the struggles of each and every teacher unless.

Observation is not direct personal knowledge.
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