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NYC never, ever had all well to do suburbs. Newark is a suburb of NYC and it is the hood.
Westchester has ghetto areas too. Yonkers has bad parts, as does Mt. Vernon.
Of course suburbs won't cease to exist and certain jobs are likely to remain there.
At the same time corporate headquarters and creative jobs continue to expand in cities. The article showed the rates of job growth in cities and suburbs and it mentioned the suburbs that are still growing like the ones for Dallas or Austin.
But for the nation's biggest cities, the inner cities are having more job growth than the suburbs. The suburbs have income inequality as well. I don't think all those Mexicans and other immigrants in Long Island living 50 people to a house make the same as a doctor or a professor who lives in Long Island. And there were always blue collar communities in suburbs. Now as job growth for professional jobs grow in the cities and create gentrification in CORE areas, a lot of the poor and working class shift out to certain suburbs. So as young educated people from the suburbs move in the big city, they get replaced by poor unskilled workers. This is certainly true of the nation's biggest cities like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, DC, etc.
LOL at Newark is a suburb of NYC. Newark is a city and is New Jersey's largest and most busiest city. You probably assume Jersey City due to its proximity to Manahttan is a more important city. Newark has suburbs too like Orange, or East orange and Paterson. The wealthy never left the inner core of the city. The inner city was for working class or even middle class folks so that they can be close to their service sector jobs in Manhattan or industrial jobs by the boroughs shoreline, and was designed that way during the early 20th century.
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America just wants us all to go back to the plantations. So much for nyc being the working class paradise anymore. That includes the middle class as well. By the time you pay to live in ny each month, you might as well be in the poor house.
the job growth is in the city.....the central city @ that.......this drives gentrification......meanwhile the people who need jobs or rely on public transport to get to those jobs are exiled into the suburbs and theyre not on the public transport grid.......no access to jobs, no money for a car....or if they have a car the gas costs add up......isolated into areas with no jobs and dont even have long distance access to get to the job centers........that irony is not lost on me......
this is also going to have consequences. and not good ones either. of course most people on this forum would applaud considering people on these boards HATE poor and working people.
this is also going to have consequences. and not good ones either. of course most people on this forum would applaud considering people on these boards HATE poor and working people.
True and amusing at the same time since 99.99% of this forum are the working people of NYC and the surrounding area. The Queen and others in her class rarely post here.
Newark is a city in its own right, not a suburb of NYC. Definitely the suburban NJ office parks aren't as full as they once were though.
Not only NJ, Long Island and Westchester are even worse. They dropped office rents in these suburban parks and they still can't find tenants. The office buildings in downtown White Plains are being converted into residential right now. Long Island and Westchester pretty much taxed themselves out. Northern NJ cities that are along the PATH train, including Newark by the way, are doing very well. Interior Long Island (outside the shore and Hamptons), over the past decade, became a horrible place to live due to the improvement in the city. One thing it had going for it before were low crime rates and good schools, nowadays its just Queens with huge taxes and anti-development micro communities.
NYC never, ever had all well to do suburbs. Newark is a suburb of NYC and it is the hood.
Westchester has ghetto areas too. Yonkers has bad parts, as does Mt. Vernon.
Of course suburbs won't cease to exist and certain jobs are likely to remain there.
Newark never was a suburb of NYC, you are thinking that because of the PATH train. It is its own city and has its own suburbs. Until the 1970's it was a thriving city. It suffered from White flight like NYC did for a time. Newark is still suffering from it, but is in the beginning stages of change.
Westchester does have ghetto areas which are mostly in Mt. Vernon and Yonkers but do not make up the entire towns. Both towns have nice areas as well. At their worse they were never as bad as the South Bronx or parts of Brooklyn and Queens back in the day. Part of the reason for those areas not getting that bad are because there are more private homes and the homeowners live there.
Do you believe everything you read? This is not the first generation of young adults to leave the suburbs and come to the city to work and live. Then go back to the suburbs once they marry and start having children. Even if they try to stay in the city, they soon realize they cannot stretch that space in an apt but so much, and spending $15K on property taxes in a highly rated school district, beats private school tuition for 2 or 3 children any day. They probably will continue to work in a large city.
I also wouldn't consider White Plains a suburb of NYC It is also its own city and is the center of Westchester county. Many people from Westchester county and NYC (Bronx and Manhattan) work in White Plains. Yonkers is also its own city but can be considered a suburb because of its close proximity to NYC.
Newark never was a suburb of NYC, you are thinking that because of the PATH train. It is its own city and has its own suburbs. Until the 1970's it was a thriving city. It suffered from White flight like NYC did for a time. Newark is still suffering from it, but is in the beginning stages of change.
Westchester does have ghetto areas which are mostly in Mt. Vernon and Yonkers but do not make up the entire towns. Both towns have nice areas as well. At their worse they were never as bad as the South Bronx or parts of Brooklyn and Queens back in the day. Part of the reason for those areas not getting that bad are because there are more private homes and the homeowners live there.
Do you believe everything you read? This is not the first generation of young adults to leave the suburbs and come to the city to work and live. Then go back to the suburbs once they marry and start having children. Even if they try to stay in the city, they soon realize they cannot stretch that space in an apt but so much, and spending $15K on property taxes in a highly rated school district, beats private school tuition for 2 or 3 children any day. They probably will continue to work in a large city.
I also wouldn't consider White Plains a suburb of NYC It is also its own city and is the center of Westchester county. Many people from Westchester county and NYC (Bronx and Manhattan) work in White Plains. Yonkers is also its own city but can be considered a suburb because of its close proximity to NYC.
Not everyone's life revolves around the "children", even if they do have them.
There are plenty of people who raise children in big cities.
It all depends on the priority of the person, and what the person likes to do.
Many of the fields growing in the city, like tech, film, tv, etc one finds these jobs or advances in these fields at industry events and other various forms of networking. Meaning living out in the suburbs is absolutely not an option because AFTER work to stay CURRENT on what's going on in your field, you have places you have to be.
NYC's industrial sector is DEAD, so waterfront neighborhoods like the West Side of Manhattan and East River Brooklyn have entirely different uses. I should know because I have been to many film industry events in these places myself, I have seen tech expos, and I have been by buildings converted to other uses (Google's base in the former Port Authority building is an excellent example).
So no, this hasn't happened before because the city never had this particular economic path before. The sectors that are growing are tech, film, tv, and other creative positions. Well tourism is growing too.
On this forum many of the so called people of color are upset about gentrification because let's face it, until recently a huge chunk of this population did low skilled manual labor (the men) or rock bottom civil service work like public sector clerks (the women and older ones didn't need degrees). So basically they can't participate in the city's economy substantially and don't want to do all the work it would take to improve their resumes and qualify themselves for better jobs.
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noun sub·urb \ˈsə-ˌbərb\
: a town or other area where people live in houses near a larger city
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a : an outlying part of a city or town b : a smaller community adjacent to or within commuting distance of a city
c plural : the residential area on the outskirts of a city or large town
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plural : the near vicinity : environs
— sub·ur·ban \sə-ˈbər-bən\ adjective or noun"
Definition B of a suburb fits Newark. It is a smaller city within commuting distance of a big city (New York City). Therefore Newark is a suburb of New York City.
White Plains is a suburb of New York City (smaller than NYC, and withom commuting distance). There's a reason why metro NYC is called the tri state areas as there are many smaller communities/cities that have a decent part of their population commute to NYC to work.
The definition is from Miriam-Webster but I know how anti-intellectual some of you are and how much you hate reading. But this lack of literacy and lack of respect for learning will catch up with you. Enjoy getting priced out of NYC.
On this forum many of the so called people of color are upset about gentrification because let's face it, until recently a huge chunk of this population did low skilled manual labor (the men) or rock bottom civil service work like public sector clerks (the women and older ones didn't need degrees). So basically they can't participate in the city's economy substantially and don't want to do all the work it would take to improve their resumes and qualify themselves for better jobs.
Really ? "On this forum" ? How do you know ?
And I have not seen so many here "upset" about gentrification, although there have been a few indications.
Moreover ... Interesting how people - granted, not everyone, but many - now define "opinion" as something always derived from personal experience and that's it. If a person has an opinion, it must be owing to his/her specific experience rather than to sets of convictions. I blame this on the dearth of critical thinking skills that is the case with most people.
It certainly does not bode well.
There are many "intellectuals" in the process of being priced out of New York. That's because, these days, a moron with a finance degree very narrowly focused and defined can make out far better than an intellectual. I am fortunate to work in an area populated by lots of intelligent and interesting people, and not everyone has money from sources outside professional gains. Those who do not are - again - being priced out.
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