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Old 03-07-2015, 06:04 PM
 
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No, they won't.

And the white majority never left lower Manhattan after they displaced Blacks and poor people

Midtown Manhattan used to have a big black population but blacks were pushed away. Ditto Central Park . Poor Blacks have not come back to either Midtown or Central Park.

Keep deluding yourself.

If anything the overall Black population of NYC is going DOWN, and ditto other cities like Los Angeles. On the low end they are replaced by immigrants, and unless they achieve high levels of education, they can't compete for high end jobs either.

Clearly normal people who deal with reality can't live their lives around imaginary cycles.
You are extremely RIGID in your thinking and lack common sense.

What I stated was in relation to the Harlem Renaissance. Downtown Manhattan IS NOT an EXCLUSIVE enclave to Whites. Blacks live down there too. POOR ONES if you want to be specific because there are Projects within those nice buildings of IVORY TOWERS. Now, keep deluding yourself. As long as there is a measure of wealth in suburban America, there will always be an opportunity to go back. SUBURBAN American isn't dying because younger Whites want to live smack dab in the heart of the city (Harlem). What happens when they age? What happens when their careers take off and the move abroad?

When the MAJORITY decides which parts of the CITY proper are what's best for them, they WILL TAKE IT AND LEAVE THE CRUMBS behind for the rest. They will. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. They've done it before and they can do it again. You won't be a player though. I know I won't be one and I'm ok with that, but I know my history.

Right now it's hip. Won't be "hip" forever.
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Old 03-07-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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Collectively people like G-Dale have voted for politicians who cut back government funding. The Republicans consistently block major expansions of welfare programs, and this is another PERMANENT change since the Reagan years. The era of easy welfare is permanently over.
How did that work out for him? I don't care who he votes for. FACT: I don't care who you vote for no one will get more of any city service than the next.

And yes, they can allocate those funds in any way they choose.
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Old 03-07-2015, 06:13 PM
 
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Personally I think the tax system in NYC means the poor get a lot more services whether better streets, sidewalks and infrastructure that they pay for or deserve. It's the people who are middle class or above who are robbed of services like good roads, sidewalks and etc because their tax money pays for the poor who don't pay taxes. The rich luck out because all those expensive apartment buildings are in commercial areas in Manhattan so such areas necessitate better roads and sidewalks and some businesses even pay for it (e.g. Fifth avenue).

The only fair tax is where one gets a bill for the services he or she uses or demands. If you want garbage collection, want to send your kids to school or want water and sewer or electricity, you pay for it. And if you don't want any of those things you don't pay for them. Forcing people to pay for things they don't want is theft and slavery.
They don't get more, they get the same. If you're speaking to beyond the necessary services any city needs to run itself then yeah, they can get welfare. But so can any person who is in dire need.

Now, I want anyone who thinks their taxes are being used wrongfully to go tell them not to charge you to move your garbage. Can G-Dale stop that? It is being proposed to bring in revenue. Mean while we already have sanitation in this city.
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Old 03-07-2015, 06:33 PM
 
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so our murder rate so far this year is what Chicago is in a day. Seems good to me.
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Old 03-07-2015, 06:42 PM
 
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Ah, the hell with it. I give up! Forget S&F and let these animals kill themselves off. NYC will ultimately be a better place without these people roaming our streets. Let them kill themselves off, it does NYC a favor. One less thug to worry about. Thank you De Blasio for stopping S&F!
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Old 03-07-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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Bait trolls within?
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Old 03-07-2015, 07:11 PM
 
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Why not? You pay more taxes than him, so you should get better service. More firemen, more cops, more schools.
Call me a socialist, but I think they should be somewhat even. Just because some areas have a larger market for crime enforcement, routine headcount should be distributed based on population of respective coverage area. I could understand some areas may need special task forces, kept to a certain extent.

I'd be interested in seeing some headcount stats on cops and teachers by precinct and school district, respectively. This information doesn't seem available to the public.
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Old 03-07-2015, 07:43 PM
 
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You are extremely RIGID in your thinking and lack common sense.

What I stated was in relation to the Harlem Renaissance. Downtown Manhattan IS NOT an EXCLUSIVE enclave to Whites. Blacks live down there too. POOR ONES if you want to be specific because there are Projects within those nice buildings of IVORY TOWERS. Now, keep deluding yourself. As long as there is a measure of wealth in suburban America, there will always be an opportunity to go back. SUBURBAN American isn't dying because younger Whites want to live smack dab in the heart of the city (Harlem). What happens when they age? What happens when their careers take off and the move abroad?

When the MAJORITY decides which parts of the CITY proper are what's best for them, they WILL TAKE IT AND LEAVE THE CRUMBS behind for the rest. They will. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. They've done it before and they can do it again. You won't be a player though. I know I won't be one and I'm ok with that, but I know my history.

Right now it's hip. Won't be "hip" forever.
Common sense is for commoners (low class idiots with no education) And I am not common, therefore I would never even want to have common sense.

Downtown Manhattan is not predominately housing projects and is not predominately poor. There are wealthy people of all races living there but it is predominately white. I'm there nearly every day.

History does not repeat itself and structural changes in the economy are permanent.

Electricity, better agricultural techniques and industrialization permanently reduced the number of people employed in the agricultural economy.

No recession can undo that.

Better telephone service eliminated telegraphs (as did faxes).

Digital downloading killed off CDs.

The PC becoming common wiped out typewriters permanently. No recession can undo that.

Smartphones wiped out flip phones and this is a permanent change as well.

The internet and digital media wiped out most bookstores as well.

So new industries were created, old industries died, and these changes are permanent. Recessions change nothing in this effect.

Actually it is the marginalized who got wiped out the most in the 2008 recession, in any big city context.

Btw, it's standard leftist talk to hope for a big bad economic crash to make evil capitalism in the US go away. Only it never does. Hardcore leftists are mentally ill people who cannot function in the society as a whole, and they are embittered because of it.
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Old 03-07-2015, 08:04 PM
 
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Common sense is for commoners (low class idiots with no education) And I am not common, therefore I would never even want to have common sense.

Downtown Manhattan is not predominately housing projects and is not predominately poor. There are wealthy people of all races living there but it is predominately white. I'm there nearly every day.

History does not repeat itself and structural changes in the economy are permanent.

Electricity, better agricultural techniques and industrialization permanently reduced the number of people employed in the agricultural economy.

No recession can undo that.

Better telephone service eliminated telegraphs (as did faxes).

Digital downloading killed off CDs.

The PC becoming common wiped out typewriters permanently. No recession can undo that.

Smartphones wiped out flip phones and this is a permanent change as well.

The internet and digital media wiped out most bookstores as well.

So new industries were created, old industries died, and these changes are permanent. Recessions change nothing in this effect.

Actually it is the marginalized who got wiped out the most in the 2008 recession, in any big city context.

Btw, it's standard leftist talk to hope for a big bad economic crash to make evil capitalism in the US go away. Only it never does. Hardcore leftists are mentally ill people who cannot function in the society as a whole, and they are embittered because of it.
Who said downtown Manhattan was predominant Blacks? I never said that. I said they are STILL THERE. You do realize that gentrification means class/wealth and not race, right? The same way NY's migration patterns of various European cultures changed over time, based on wealth! Not skin color.

F you and your common crap. YOU'RE common enough (you believe your own hype). I don't though.

I won't go into politics with you. However, let me assure you that while the next big thing is coming (and it will come); it will set the tone for how individuals live and where they live. Mr. Ivy. As the needs of a nation change, so shall the challenges in how we meet those needs change. If that means jobs eventually go back to suburban America, so too will the residents.

It has always been this way. It will always be this way. From one commoner to another!

When the great migration began what happened?

When the war ended what happened? (I'll leave you, Ivy) to figure out which war I speak of

When there was an abundance of factories in major cities, what happened?



Bring it! I can go round for round............and I never ever in my life attended an Ivy League school (as if that matters). Your problem is for anyone who hasn't attended one ~ you deem inferior to your opinion. Pffffffffffffffttttt.

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Old 03-07-2015, 08:28 PM
 
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Call me a socialist, but I think they should be somewhat even. Just because some areas have a larger market for crime enforcement, routine headcount should be distributed based on population of respective coverage area. I could understand some areas may need special task forces, kept to a certain extent.

I'd be interested in seeing some headcount stats on cops and teachers by precinct and school district, respectively. This information doesn't seem available to the public.
And here, NYWritertude said you were a conservative!
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