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Old 03-06-2015, 11:42 AM
 
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It is like the same old story from last year. I am more interesting in the mayor's new spin. We have heard lots of his talk. What will he really do to reform SHSAT?

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Old 03-06-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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I would create more 2nd tier SHs to accommodate those motivated students who did not make it through the first cut.

Also, for the sake of educational efficacy, it is better to group students at similar starting levels for group learning so the curriculum and pace of instruction can be tailored to fit each group. Mixing them all up does no good to anybody.

There is no shame to be a slow learner, or any pride associated with high achievers; It is the attitude and effort that count the most.
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Old 03-06-2015, 12:29 PM
 
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The data also says that multiracial kids outperform all others...

So deblasio should probably think about starting inter-racial marriage movements in NYC.
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Old 03-06-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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What happened to the other specialized schools in the city? Thought there was more!

The Bronx High School of Science . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5
The Brooklyn Latin School .................................................. .............................. 5
Brooklyn Technical High School . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6
High School for Mathematics, Science and Engineering at the City College . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6
High School of American Studies at Lehman College . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6
Queens High School for the Sciences at York College . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
Staten Island Technical High School . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
Stuyvesant High School . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8
Fiorello H. LaGuardia High School of Music & Art and Performing Arts . . . .
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Old 03-06-2015, 12:59 PM
 
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LaGuardia is by audition- not the standard test.



As with all educational data, I wish sincerely they did not ask nor publish racial data.
If they are never going to be willing to even peruse the theory that different ethnic groups at different age levels on average have different fields of intelligence, then there is no point in publicizing such data.
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Old 03-06-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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LaGuardia is by audition- not the standard test.



As with all educational data, I wish sincerely they did not ask nor publish racial data.
If they are never going to be willing to even peruse the theory that different ethnic groups at different age levels on average have different fields of intelligence, then there is no point in publicizing such data.
There is a test and an audition. My daughter went.....
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Old 03-06-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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LaGuardia is by audition- not the standard test.



As with all educational data, I wish sincerely they did not ask nor publish racial data.
If they are never going to be willing to even peruse the theory that different ethnic groups at different age levels on average have different fields of intelligence, then there is no point in publicizing such data.
Family dynamics plays a critical role in it all as well. Meanwhile in other parts of the country other minorities are doing exceedingly well in school. Wonder why NY can't get this right?
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Old 03-06-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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I would create more 2nd tier SHs to accommodate those motivated students who did not make it through the first cut.

Also, for the sake of educational efficacy, it is better to group students at similar starting levels for group learning so the curriculum and pace of instruction can be tailored to fit each group. Mixing them all up does no good to anybody.

There is no shame to be a slow learner, or any pride associated with high achievers; It is the attitude and effort that count the most.

NYC tried that in the 70's by lowering the entrance scores for minorities. More got in, but even with in school tutors and adding an additional period each day many couldn't keep up. It just doesn't work having a local and an express track when both need to be running parallel to each other by the end of 9th grade.
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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There is a test and an audition. My daughter went.....
They perform with audition, and a test- but they do not sit for the SHSAT, unless of course they with to apply to any of the other specialized schools.
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:15 PM
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Family dynamics plays a critical role in it all as well. Meanwhile in other parts of the country other minorities are doing exceedingly well in school. Wonder why NY can't get this right?

Both black and Hispanic kids are doing well in NYC public charter schools - i.e. largely schools where their education is not disrupted. School culture can attenuate the effects of poverty and associated cultural problems with education (the skinny on what you need to do, where you need to go, how it gets done .... knowledge that is a given in more affluent sections)

The problem in NYC is NY politics - teacher union status quo interests are huge (the all-powerful Silver was in their pocket), and with misguided parental support those interests completely outweigh the students' interests. That's why 250,000 NYS kids, mostly black and Hispanic, fail out and have being doing so for years and years.

More of the same won't help them...... but Mulgrew doesn't care - he speaks for teachers not kids. And Farina and DeBlasio... both have their heart in the right place, but political dogma blinds them to actual facts
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