Outrageous NYPD Salary (New York, York, Fine: loans, luxury, job)

[chinokong]

Originally Posted by bx718

I didn't know the NYPD was an all male affair
Also, while talking about underpaid cops, let's talk about the epitome of under-paying - TEACHERS. The salary of a teacher is near laughable. They shoudl be very well paid

In regards to teachers salaries of late, teachers are the highest paid city employees (on average) with a starting salary of $45-57K. This was the recent increase in salary within the last 2 1/2 years and ending in Oct. 2009. This is because teachers get paid on a salary step with educational credits being accredited to their salary. Laughable maybe, but most of my colleagues whom I currently teach with are making 90-100k. I'm in my 6th year teaching and i'm at 85k (with some overtime). Within 2 years i will be at 100k and will only be increasing thereafter. A lot of teachers have oppurtunities to become Principals and assistant principals and choose not to and one reason being is that some of us make more as teachers..

Anyway, I do agree that NYPD recruits are underpaid at 26K but I think that if you're young between 21-23 you might be ok. Jobs like this you have to start at a young age (assuming you have less expenses).

[jfre81]

And nearly seven years after 9/11 this is the best they can do?

Bloomberg should be ashamed.

[roseba]

Originally Posted by Carbro

Teachers are underpaid, too, but they are underpaid for ten months, while cops are underpaid for 12, and a much more dangerous job.

We can't sustain ourselves as a society without either.

Teachers are required to have a Masters degree to teach in NYC. What other job that requires a Masters pays so little (under $50K to start)? Yes, a few recruits, about 1500 out of 8000 or so new teachers attend the Fellowship program where their degree is paid for. Most have it before they start teaching.

And, Teachers are required to attend professional development courses during the summer as well as administrative sessions. (Just cause the kids aren't in school doesn't mean the teachers aren't working.) Teachers have about 6 weeks vacation per year (12 months).

And frankly, I would hate having the timing of my vacation time regulated to me. I'd rather be able to chose WHEN I take vacation.

And as far as police salaries, yes, their own union sold out their young. And the practice of using overtime in the last two years to calculate pension benefits is a very bad loophole.

I've met many cops that retire at 40 and then go onto another profession paying $40-$50K per year, while receiving a pension of almost the same amount. Not bad for someone only 40 with a few years of college.

[aloe868]

I was working in Mid Town in 2006 and remember reading in the Daily News that four new recruits applied for food stamps because they couldn't support their families on $25,100.

[DITC]

Teachers, policemen, firefighters, and even sanitation should all be making more than they do in this city. If non-native NYers can move in, and within months live like kings on their Wall Street salary, why is it that the blue collar people who are NATIVE to this city get priced out? After all, the working class types the foundations for these people's jobs, their kids educations, and their overall high Manhattan quality of life. They bear the NY accent and the cultural uniqueness/character that attracts people to this city.

Remember, the blue collar/middle class does not need Wall Street. But Wall Street needs them. Otherwise the murder rate will skyrocket, Manhattan will burn and nobody will put the fires out, teachers will be at a shortage, garbage piles will be 100 ft high on every block, etc

[Guywithacause]

You have no understanding of economics at any level if you believe the blue collar/middle class does not need Wall Street. Wall Street is the financial engine of NYC, the country, and a major barometer for the rest of the world..so YES we ALL NEED Wall Street, especially those blue collar/middle class residents who directly benefit from the wealth of Wall Street. As I recall, Wall Street has been here during the very best of times, and the very worst of times, when the murder rate was outrageous, when the city was burning, garbage was piling....and they are still here today. There are PLENTY of people that will GLADLY take those union jobs for far less pay, and be happy about it.....what happens when you take out the revenue stream from Wall Street? The money is gone and there ARE no jobs for ANYONE...so the city AND the country..and arguably the world....NEEDS Wall Street.

[DITC]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

You have no understanding of economics at any level if you believe the blue collar/middle class does not need Wall Street. Wall Street is the financial engine of NYC, the country, and a major barometer for the rest of the world..so YES we ALL NEED Wall Street, especially those blue collar/middle class residents who directly benefit from the wealth of Wall Street. As I recall, Wall Street has been here during the very best of times, and the very worst of times, when the murder rate was outrageous, when the city was burning, garbage was piling....and they are still here today. There are PLENTY of people that will GLADLY take those union jobs for far less pay, and be happy about it.....what happens when you take out the revenue stream from Wall Street? The money is gone and there ARE no jobs for ANYONE...so the city AND the country..and arguably the world....NEEDS Wall Street.

Actually I do pal. I work in finance for a living so I know firsthand. We are overpaid. The jobs are easily transferrable, and as we have seen, NY doesnt dominate global finance like it used to. Now more than ever, jobs have moved to London and Hong Kong... yet NY is supposedly more prosperous than ever right now? Of course finance is New York's niche industry, but its not solely dependent on that industry. Entertainment, tourism, forget about those?

All I am saying is the white collar jobs exist on the basic functions of the city, such as ELECTRICITY, PLUMBING, POLICE, FIRE, etc. Dont even tell me its vice versa. If all the banks and hedge funds vacated town, demand for real estate would drop, prices would become more reasonable, and companies from other industries would move in because its cheaper. The rest of the country sweats NY and would drop everything to move here.

"blue collar/middle class residents who directly benefit from the wealth of Wall Street."
Please explain that one to me. How come the middle class NY is priced out of neighborhoods theyve lived in for generations. They move to NC or Scranton PA because struggling to make ends meet and having a 90 minute commute from Mill Basin or Tottenville is a horrible way to live life. Simultaneously, Wall Street bonus checks are cut in the 6, 7, and sometimes 8 digit range, spent on extra cars, extra houses, and unnecessary things. Kids fresh out of undergraduate can make 6 figures in their first year while some hardworking people will never see a 6 figure year in their life.

[Guywithacause]

Yes all of society needs the basic functions of electricity, plumbing, food, water, oxygen, sunlight....but that was not your initial argument. You say that without the police and fireman, crime would grow exponentially, the city would burn and Wall street would collapse/move. But that DID happen, and Wall Street is STILL here...so who needs who? People/cities need electricity, food, water NOT mob-like UNIONS that only look out for themselves at the expense of everything else.

I agree that as the cost of living has increased dramatically across the country and especially in NYC, MOST salaries have not kept up, including those of police. It is not unique to police or firefighters, as everyone else is feeling the pinch also. It is across the board.

Regarding your comment on middle class NYers being priced out of neighborhoods they have lived in for generations, this is called life I believe. Because they have lived in neighborhoods for 300 years does not mean you belong there, or somehow deserve to live there as a matter of fact. Life changes, neighborhoods change, and it is no different than 400,000 Ecuadorians flooding into "your" neighborhood....you don't own it anymore than the new arrivals do. So things changes, sometimes prices go up and people move, and sometimes prices come down and people still move.

The cost of living has increased in this city substantially, no doubt, but this city has always been about a high demand and limited amount of resources. As a result, prices escalate, and those that cannot keep up must make difficult choices....that's life...there is a big world out there....you don't have the right to live where you want at the price you set or deem fair. It is about the choices you make, the sacrifices you are willing to make...life is not fair! The city is, however, taking steps to create affordable housing specifically for middle/blue collar families, so if you are really concerned about having an affordable place in this city, although not necessarily in the home you have had for 300 years, you should look into the massive affordable housing initiative the city has embarked on.

[maddog23]

whats up? i am a nypd cop. this is a horrible job.....the pay is terrible, the people on this job will treat you like s%$%, it really is a bad job. the only up side i hear is that you can move through the many specialized units of the nypd. well im just about to hit two years and ive been on foot the entire time. my friends from work and i are constantly screamed at for not giving out enough tickets and not arresting enough people. it truely is a horrible job and i strongly suggest you look somewhere else before coming here. Im juss confused how can this be the greatest police department with the low pay ****ty work conditions with the typewriters from the 80's everyday i find something different to laugh at whether its the way things are done in the precinct or something out on the street. by the way all the numbers are fixed compstat just fixes the crimes and makes them less petty on the sheet so if something happens to you like for example someone steals your wallet thats not a robbery we call that good ole lost property you can only go off of the murder rate....the murder rate doesnlt lie be

[Guywithacause]

It is glad to know that maddog, a member of the "esteemed" police force, finds the entire system a complete farce, inefficient, horrible work conditions, and a terrible place to work and be. However, the "low" salary sounds like a SMALL part of the problem, as the real issues in the department do not involve the initial salary, but the WORK CONDITIONS, the horrible work environment, being yelled at for not arresting enough people, and the typical inefficiencies and ridiculous policies of a grossly inefficient, bloated, and backwards bureaucracy. Salary is not the real issue here...as anyone with a brain would know.