The future of Washington Heights (New York, Roosevelt: purchase, calculator, salaries)

[Guywithacause]

It is not my concept, it is the definition set forth by this Country...we can not go by any other, as stating someone is "white" refers to America's version of it, and Cubans, DRs, and PRs, with few exceptions, are MIXED and not "white." They can LOOK german, irish, French, or Norwegian, but that does not mean they ARE "white"...the vast majority are mixed in some way, thus they are NOT "white", but mixed, with exceptions of course.

[NooYowkur81]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

It is not my concept, it is the definition set forth by this Country...we can not go by any other, as stating someone is "white" refers to America's version of it, and Cubans, DRs, and PRs, with few exceptions, are MIXED and not "white." They can LOOK german, irish, French, or Norwegian, but that does not mean they ARE "white"...the vast majority are mixed in some way, thus they are NOT "white", but mixed, with exceptions of course.

There are White (Caucasians) people walking around the U.S.A. that are heavily mixed but people don't know, because they look white. Whiter than white bread. So should they not be classifed as White according to your definition?

[Guywithacause]

There are many that enjoy the white priviledge of looking white and fitting in, and many dismiss their "other" identities just for that reason. Whether they should or should not be classified as white is moot, the reality is if you are mixed you are not white. This is not a difficult concept.

[SeventhFloor]

back on topic please

[009]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

back on topic please

It's only been on topic for about 1.5 pages out of 14.

[cyrusjul]

Originally Posted by NooYowkur81

Thinking about some rice and beans with carne guisada from Margot Restaurant with a country club soda to wash it down.

Please don't say that! I am suffering over here.

[Guywithacause]

lol...I second that 009....lets get back to Washington Heights..I say in 3 months it will be taken over by a huge wave of Hatians.....they seem to always chase after Dominicans anyway.....discuss.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by 009

It's only been on topic for about 1.5 pages out of 14.

thats good enough.....

[nyc0127]

Listen, white is more of a psychological thing of being that majority of this country. I'm sure both of us agree on that. Being white actuallly doesn't exist. It's a social construction. As others put it on here, us human-beings created what we denote as ''white'' and ''black.''

''As I have met white LOOKING Hispanics across the board, they have ALWAYS been mixed in some fashion.''

This quote is everything that is wrong with your psychological approach. You're being needy on society to fill the obligation of believing in physical part of the term Hispanic. You're creating politically incorrect stereotypical garbage to help what you believe yourself in short. In the long run though, it will leave you nothing more than an old man who everyone can't stand, like many we have to deal with now.

Although Crisp acknowledged that he does it at of habit to please his own needs, he admitted it's likely politically incorrect. It's like hunting. Many know it might be inhumane, but some like the thrill of the ''sport.'' Even for what ever propaganda he has pumped into himself, he's explained that ''looking Hispanic'' is not unified. He's explained that it could be looking like an old white guy playing domino's in a park in Miami or a Meztiso immigrant who has a difficult time reading directions in English.

Look at the wording of your quote though. ''As I have met white looking Hispanics across the board.'' Who says ''looking Hispanic'' isn't looking white? Or who says looking white isn't looking Hispanic? So was Ricky Ricardo (from I love Lucy) white pre-1970? But physically non-white after? Was his marriage in the show a white marriage 1970, but interracial post-1970? Is there a uniform code to what looking Hispanic is? Even a better notion, would you even be saying who looks Hispanic and who doesn't if the government didn't integrate the term Hispanic (nor its emphasis) into our political system and culture?

''Both your parents can be black as night, and as a HIspanic, you can LOOK "white" because you are expressing recessive genes that you have in your lineage.''

The big problem with this way of thinking is that not enough of the general population knows about the ethnic diversity within the term ''Hispanic.'' Most Americans either aren't of Latin-American descent, don't take interest in this kind of thing or can't handle complication. The ''recessive genes'' you describe are true to this whole planet. There are white people in this country who are 1/16 or 1/32 Native American (especially in the south or midwest). How often is it that they come out looking like a Native American you'd see in a American History textbook?

My point is that regardless of these ''recessive'' genes, coming out looking dramatically different than your parents is rare. Some people on here are reluctant to handling complication regarding different ethnic percentages of different countries. It's a difficult subject. It's not something you can just learn in 20 minutes.
In Puerto Rico, if you have white parents, it's likely you'll come out looking like Edgar Martinez. If you got black parents, it's likely you'll come out looking like Carlos Delgado.

If you're significantly mixed of both of those images, it's mostly likely you'll continue to have a mixed appearance. When you are legitimately mixed though,the probability that you might look white or black rises, because both of the white and black percentages are high enough. It's like flipping a coin. If you're half white, half black and don't come out looking 100% one or the other, it can go either way. That's simple biological science.

With that being said, you have to understand this is a game of probability and political correctness. If you are of Puerto Rican descent and look white, it wouldn't be appropriate for anyone to come to the conclusion they're mixed. Basic human-nature tells us to judge by our hunch. In other words, the culture of this country says to judge only from what you know on fact. The basic citizen in this country is not intellectual enough to dig into the possibilities. That is true even in the most educated environments.

For example, if you watch a movie or show that takes place in New York, and everyone is white, no one ever questions it. Yet, if there was a show in North Dakota that had Asians or blacks, people would be like what the hell is going on? That is because people are taught to never question the ideals of whiteness in this country. No one can deny that. By coming to the conclusion one is mixed though, even if they don't appear to be, takes a mind of creativity and energy, which so many lack. One of the biggest dilemmas is just to know if someone is Puerto Rican ; and if they told you they were, than finding out if one white or mixed is necessary.

The best thing anyone could do is understand the demographics properly is ask them for yourselves. That's what the census did, and I'm simply re-applying it. I know it's hard for people to know their exact percentages, but having an idea isn't hard. If you are of Puerto Rican and Dominican descent, and don't know your percentages, you shouldn't just assume you're mixed (or if you are, you shouldn't just make up numbers). Basically, if you are of Puerto Rican or Dominican descent in this city, you shouldn't relate yourself to anyone but you and your family. It confuses people, because not enough people reinforce the fact that they are secondary cultures

It can be a struggle to just get someone to care about their Dominican or Puerto Rican heritage sometimes. Could you imagine how hard it would be to know what's going on within that? For who is of Dominican or Puerto Rican descent who's involved in this discussion, how many of your parents and/or grandparents thoroughly conversed with you abut this? If you are mixed and haven't discussed this with you, it's going to do harm. It's important to have people deleting the factions in separations of unnecessary things like race, but race consumes much of the cultural interaction of day-to-day life in this city. You need to be prepared to know everything that's going on around you.

There was a larger slave population in the Dominican Republic (and the other part of the island they share). I'm saying Puerto Rico is a whiter place. Cuba used to be too. I personally don't care if it is or not, but they are. You have the statistics from both people in Puerto Rico and New York City. I read another figure that said 58% of Puerto Ricans in New York City self-identified as white. That statistic came before the 62% one. Part of the reason is because some may have still marked Puerto Rican on the census, even if they were mixed. An extra decade could have given more time to assimilate and marry other European-American Catholics in this city. These statistics aren't that varied in Puerto Rico though.

Many people on here have a bias way of looking at this. They're reluctant to accepting the facts for what they are. They shouldn't be arguing with me about this. They should be arguing with the 3/5 of Puerto Rican descended New Yorkers who believe they're 100% white, if they believe they actually aren't. They should tell them think they're full of it. I'm saying they aren't full of it. That isn't to say a couple people aren't, but the general populous isn't. Puerto Rico is a predominantly purely European descended island (2/3+), so I don't understand why so many on here would believe this was a haven for the mixed on the island. If it were for economical reasoning, blacks would have come more than them, and they didn't.

''Regarding NYC0127...I think you are confusing the term "white" and "caucasion". There are ONLY 3 races: caucazoid, negroid, and mongoloid. All 3 races have had an effect on PR, Cuba, and DR via the Europeans, Africans, and Native Americans respectively. So yes the predominant RACE in PR is Caucasion, however they are not "white" as PR IS a mix of the above 3 races. Not only do they not resemble Europeans (On the whole), they ARE predominantly of mixed races, although classified as caucasian.''

As I noted before, you can't judge all as one human-being. You have no case though. Even if you were to look at this island at an overview, it's a white island. 81% of the people on that island didn't say they were Caucasian. They said they were white. They aren't concerned for any scientific classification. They believe in the social construction of ''whiteness'' in their own way, just like Americans do.

Go look at the 2000 Census for yourself. As far as the whole ''caucazoid, negroid and mongoloid'' thing goes, it's obvious that much of this world is effected by all three. There might even be a fourth categorization to identity the aboriginal population of Australia.

Different physical features have developed in different parts of the world. The places that are coldest in Europe were settled at later times in terms of human migration. Places like Spain, Italy and Greece will be ''darker'' than places like Norway and Finland, likewise to countries that border the Middle Eastern (i.e. Turkey).

''There is no point in arguing any further, as you seem to believe that PRs are "white" when in fact they are predominantly mixed, as are all the Carribean countries. I am not clear as to why you deny the mixed ancestry as the predominant force on the islands....it is an intergral part of the people, the culture, the language, the food, and the prevailing attitudes and lifetsyles...it's not just a sprinkling.''

There is no point in arguing this anymore because you have no hard evidence to back yourself up. You have no chance at being right without that. You have no sources. I have sources from those directly. There is a possibility I'm wrong and I do acknowledge that, but ''how wrong'' I could be off is important thing. Whether you want to use the 58 or 62 percent figures in New York City, I believe there is a 5-10% window of unmarked mixes. In no way do I see more than half of people of Puerto Rican descent in New York City racially mixed though. It just isn't true. So many are camouflage to the white population. And being that so much of the white population in this city is either southern European and ethnic, it makes them even more camouflage.

I don't consider the whiteness nor level of being mixed good or bad. It's neutral. I'm stating simple facts. How we socially collaborate about thing is different. That is square two though. Square one is just understanding the hard facts, which many of you seemingly refute. Why do so many of you not trust those of Puerto Rican descent to not judge for themselves the right way? No one is challenging the confidence of Dominicans, Mexicans or other groups. Why do all of you find it so crazy that I'm likely right about all of this.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

lol...I second that 009....lets get back to Washington Heights..I say in 3 months it will be taken over by a huge wave of Hatians.....they seem to always chase after Dominicans anyway.....discuss.

Well, I know you were being sarcastic but I doubt Haitians would move to NYC in big numbers. As you may know there is alot of tension between DR and Haiti. On the Island, these two groups are known to go at it. Dominicans even got sanctioned by the UN for the mass murders of Haitians on the border. The bloodshed would come over here. It will not be pretty.