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Old 05-26-2015, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Crown Heights, Brooklyn
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Op pls, you have me in tears

I'm not saying Black lives don't matter, I'm saying bringing back stop and frisk in response is a stupid idea and you should just let it go already. Its done. Finished. Not needed. Come up with something else.
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Old 05-26-2015, 09:44 PM
 
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Im sure that you would rather be stopped and frisked and sent on your way by a cop...than shot by a brother. I know I would.
I'd rather experience neither. (luckily I've never experienced the latter) In this era of trigger happy, I was in fear for my life cops it comes as a huge relief that my chances of having an interaction with a police officer is dramatically reduced.
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Old 05-26-2015, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Gods country
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Perps react to the times. Right now, the cop is the perp and the street hoodlums know it. You don't see what they see. You see cops driving around, you think all is normal, but the perps know that the cops don't get out of their cars any more. They know that cops don't look for "trouble" any more. They know that they have zero fear of being stopped any more. Just as when something changes in your business field and you react to it, perps do the same. Shootings didn't magically rise over the last few months. The national progressive agenda is coming home to roost.
This is really good news! I have been hoping that cops working the American ghettos realize that the politicians don't have their backs. Last month in Baltimore was a good beginning. The savages are beginning to consume themselves, and I hope that the Police continue to let them.
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Old 05-26-2015, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Gods country
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I'd rather experience neither. (luckily I've never experienced the latter) In this era of trigger happy, I was in fear for my life cops it comes as a huge relief that my chances of having an interaction with a police officer is dramatically reduced.
If you mind your business, don't commit any crimes, your chances of being shot by a Police Officer are slim to none, I can't say that about a fellow brother.
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Old 05-26-2015, 10:26 PM
 
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That's nonsense...stop and frisk was drastically scaled back in by 2013 and murders steeply declined to only 333...then stop and frisk was completely eliminated the next year and murders still declined
You do realize that NYPD cooks the books though right?
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Old 05-26-2015, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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This is really good news! I have been hoping that cops working the American ghettos realize that the politicians don't have their backs. Last month in Baltimore was a good beginning. The savages are beginning to consume themselves, and I hope that the Police continue to let them.
Give 'em what they want! The good neighborhoods full of actual taxpayers would welcome the cops that could be shifted out of the ghettoes.
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Old 05-26-2015, 11:33 PM
 
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I agree it is basically a civil rights violation.

However, I think it, combined with Broken Windows and better force management by the NYPD, were key in bringing down the crime rate, especially murders. By the time the Bloomberg Administration was ending, these policies had succeeded spectacularly in reducing crime, by making it hugely risky to carry guns and drugs on the streets. Since it had succeeded, the public lost track of the fact that before these policies, there vastly more criminals carrying guns and drugs, and selling them openly. So at the end, they didn't see the stops and frisks producing seizure numbers. What they missed was that by having these policies, the opportunities for seizures had been reduced, which is a very good thing. Less guns on the streets in the hands of criminals reduces the chance of spontaneous shootings.

Now that these policies have been scaled back and/or ended, we're starting to see shooting and murder numbers rise. How surprising

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I agree with those who say Stop & Frisk had minimal effect on gun crime and is a blatant disregard of civil rights. Having said that, what has happened and is DeBlasio's fault is a lack of conviction with regards to Quality of Life offences and Broken Windows. Stopping people who loiter, litter, intake alcohol/drugs publicly, jump subway turnstiles often nets people on warrants who often commit the bulk of crime in the city. Also, a stop can be constitutional if you match the description of someone having been reported to have committed a crime (Probable Cause). This is the type of basic, street level policing that should be occurring and if the mayor's office is leaning on the NYPD to be lax in this regard, then that's wrong.

Murders and shootings very, very rarely affect normal law abiding citizens and your risk becomes that much smaller if you subtract domestic situations. What I'd be more concerned about is any rise in robberies, muggings and assaults since those are often the hallmarks of a city whose environment has deteriorated.
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Old 05-27-2015, 06:31 AM
 
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Instead of brining S&F back, America needs to bring back math camps to reverse the steep decline in American's math/probability competence.

To equate the murder rate increase with that of one's chance of being murdered is utterly appalling for ppl with basic understanding of how to calculate probability.

Didn't our nyriterdude have an ivy education? How do you explain the difference between the two?

It is time to take math education seriously and do not let kids off the hook just because they say "I don't like math"....
Good point. And making us even dumber is that it took us four pages to catch. No matter what side of the argument your on, we're all getting dumber. We get all cuaght up in our emotions that common sense even gets overlooked.
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Old 05-27-2015, 06:45 AM
 
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My comment isn't directed at OP specifically but at the overall failing educational system that this country faces.
No matter how well one knows the constitution, statistically speaking, you cannot deny that if you live in a poor high crime nabe that the likelihood of being stop and frisked is elevated. Similiarly the more you get arrested, they greater the likelihood that you'll have a physical life-threatening altercation, whether with a cop or another criminal. Most likely the other criminal will get you first.
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Old 05-27-2015, 07:07 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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For this city, the only mathematical formula that applies is this:

M = 1/C

where M represents the murder rate and C is the cost of living.

Figure that out first and then get back to me.
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