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Old 02-07-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Italian Americans have vastly relocated to the suburbs (NJ, Staten Island, Long Island) and so have most of the mobsters. You can still see many mafioso type families in North Jersey where I grew up, but it's very hard to tell if they are really mafia, as the numbers of the mob have greatly diminished bigtime. These days a guido/guidette looking family more often gets mistaken for mafia then anything else.

After Donnie Brasco, Giuliani, and the collapse of the 5 families in the 90s, NYC lost its overt mob presence. Yes they are still there, yes they are still in NJ, no you probably will not run into them on any given Sunday, if you did you probably wouldn't know it either

They still exist, very few and far between in NYC proper. The ways they make money have changed drastically. The media pays them no mind. The 90s was the last decade with overt mob antics. Very different now. Hope that answers your question.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:27 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I remember when there was a lot of mob activity down in central Greenwich Village and in SoHo. I lived down the street from dreaded "208 Sullivan Street". It was a mob hangout/"Private Club". You never wanted to hear the words "The Chin wants to see ya down at 208", trust me. It was straight out of a movie.

Most of them are dead now or got pinched. Funny thing is the place is now an artisanal herb and flower shop. LOL.

The fact is that these days it is too risky to partake in such activities. You're better off stealing credit card numbers than actually running numbers. And you don't need 20 henchmen to pull of credit card scams.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:30 AM
 
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they can now be found on wall st.
+1.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Most of them are dead now or got pinched. Funny thing is the place is now an artisanal herb and flower shop. LOL.

The fact is that these days it is too risky to partake in such activities. You're better off stealing credit card numbers than actually running numbers. And you don't need 20 henchmen to pull of credit card scams.
I agree
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Old 02-07-2016, 03:27 PM
 
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Since children cant play dodge ball even the mob has gotten soft.
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Old 02-07-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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One of the many things The Sopranos got right about the New York/New Jersey Italian "mob" was how social/demographic and other changes were impacting their behavior. Johnny Cakes finds this out when he attempts to shake down a *Starbucks* type coffee place in the "new" New Jersey:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxFQYw_MmAA


You can't extort protection money from the local Trader Joe's, Starbucks, Whole Foods, etc... Such places are rapidly replacing the old "Mom and Pop" stores.


The other thing TS got right is that many mobsters wanted better for their children. They used their ill gotten gains to put their kids through college and in many cases onto post graduate studies so they wouldn't have to be in "that life of theirs". That and or they allowed their daughters to marry men outside of the "family business" and who while knew what was going on remained out of things. Barbara Soprano was probably the only sane one out of that family, mostly because she kept a safe enough distance from Tony and Janice.


Grew up on the Rock (Staten Island) and went to school/hung out with children of real made men. I didn't know it at the time but then again was brought up not to ask about other people's business. Today of course a majority of the Tony Soprano wannabes running around SI wouldn't know a made man if he peed on them because they were on fire. But the mob is still out there as every so often this or that raid for numbers, drugs, prostitution or whatever proves.


Besides the various legal and political crackdowns you have to understand the other reasons behind the decline of not only Italian, but Irish, Jewish and other "mafias" of New York.


Post Kennedy immigration laws mean you have less waves of poor Italians, Irish or whatever from Europe just arriving in the USA. While once included as minorities along with Blacks, Italians and the Irish no longer face discrimination and thus are free to find employment/careers where ever they like. There is no need to join the "mob" in order to put meat on the table. Whatever various social services the Mafia once handed out now come from private and or government agencies.


Finally more and more Italian Americans see the Mafia for what they truly are; parasites who feed off the misery of others.


Again using the Sopranos as an example Paulie Walnuts jacks and kills an elderly widow for her money. Christopher at one point takes to jacking and breaking open parking meters to get money for kicking upstairs. Ralph Cifaretto beats and kills a pregnant girl and thinks nothing of it because "she was a *****....". When TS goes to Italy he sees a young kid beaten and taken away (probably to be killed) and his mother badly beaten for attempting to intervene. All this because the kid lit off a firecracker the Don and his men though was a gun shot. And so it goes...


For all the talk of honor and respect these are some pretty low life persons.
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:21 PM
 
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One of the many things The Sopranos got right about the New York/New Jersey Italian "mob" was how social/demographic and other changes were impacting their behavior. Johnny Cakes finds this out when he attempts to shake down a *Starbucks* type coffee place in the "new" New Jersey:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxFQYw_MmAA


You can't extort protection money from the local Trader Joe's, Starbucks, Whole Foods, etc... Such places are rapidly replacing the old "Mom and Pop" stores.


The other thing TS got right is that many mobsters wanted better for their children. They used their ill gotten gains to put their kids through college and in many cases onto post graduate studies so they wouldn't have to be in "that life of theirs". That and or they allowed their daughters to marry men outside of the "family business" and who while knew what was going on remained out of things. Barbara Soprano was probably the only sane one out of that family, mostly because she kept a safe enough distance from Tony and Janice.


Grew up on the Rock (Staten Island) and went to school/hung out with children of real made men. I didn't know it at the time but then again was brought up not to ask about other people's business. Today of course a majority of the Tony Soprano wannabes running around SI wouldn't know a made man if he peed on them because they were on fire. But the mob is still out there as every so often this or that raid for numbers, drugs, prostitution or whatever proves.


Besides the various legal and political crackdowns you have to understand the other reasons behind the decline of not only Italian, but Irish, Jewish and other "mafias" of New York.


Post Kennedy immigration laws mean you have less waves of poor Italians, Irish or whatever from Europe just arriving in the USA. While once included as minorities along with Blacks, Italians and the Irish no longer face discrimination and thus are free to find employment/careers where ever they like. There is no need to join the "mob" in order to put meat on the table. Whatever various social services the Mafia once handed out now come from private and or government agencies.


Finally more and more Italian Americans see the Mafia for what they truly are; parasites who feed off the misery of others.


Again using the Sopranos as an example Paulie Walnuts jacks and kills an elderly widow for her money. Christopher at one point takes to jacking and breaking open parking meters to get money for kicking upstairs. Ralph Cifaretto beats and kills a pregnant girl and thinks nothing of it because "she was a *****....". When TS goes to Italy he sees a young kid beaten and taken away (probably to be killed) and his mother badly beaten for attempting to intervene. All this because the kid lit off a firecracker the Don and his men though was a gun shot. And so it goes...


For all the talk of honor and respect these are some pretty low life persons.
Great post, but what I think The Sopranos got wrong about the mafia was the level of violence used (although I guess the show would have been less entertaining without it. The show takes place from 1999 to 2007, Mafia murders by this point were pretty rare, yet there were 92 murders on the show, most of which were in some way connected to the DiMeo family.
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:44 PM
 
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Great post, but what I think The Sopranos got wrong about the mafia was the level of violence used (although I guess the show would have been less entertaining without it. The show takes place from 1999 to 2007, Mafia murders by this point were pretty rare, yet there were 92 murders on the show, most of which were in some way connected to the DiMeo family.

Oh I don't know.


List of deaths - The Sopranos Wiki - Wikia


A good number of those killings were for revenge, ratting out to LE/FBI, in the course of "action" (such as the Columbians murdered during Paulie Walnuts big heist of drug money), and plain ole power struggles (Rusty Millio).


Where I at least felt things went to far was Jackie Jr. Tony S should have stepped up and saved the kid.
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:46 PM
 
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Oh I don't know.


List of deaths - The Sopranos Wiki - Wikia


A good number of those killings were for revenge, ratting out to LE/FBI, in the course of "action" (such as the Columbians murdered during Paulie Walnuts big heist of drug money), and plain ole power struggles (Rusty Millio).


Where I at least felt things went to far was Jackie Jr. Tony S should have stepped up and saved the kid.
Well yeah I remember the motives for all of those murders, but it seems like most of that stuff wouldn't have happened any later than the 80s

Paulie killing the Colombians for instance, was super sloppy and he probably would have gotten caught in real life for doing that. But of course, suspense of disbelief is required to enjoy pretty much any nonfiction show.
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:06 PM
 
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Anyone who thinks the "Mafia" is gone from New York, much less the United States is seriously deluded. Yeah you still find some gambling/numbers racket going on, but like everyone else the Mafia has adapted to conditions on the ground.


Who do you think is responsible for flooding the USA and elsewhere in the western world with Heroin and other drugs? It ain't just the Albanians, Mexicans, Columbians and other usual suspects. Mafia is also big in online fraud such as IRS/tax schemes. Human trafficking/prostitution, etc... it all is still there, just perhaps a bit harder to spot.


Again as shown in the Sopranos it takes a vast organized and efficient network to move drugs, people, money, etc.. around the world, and the Italian Mafia have been doing it for decades. Even where they aren't directly controlling the entire operation someone is getting their taste.


The thirty-five year old mammoni with no visible means of support living in his parent's basement in Tottenville or Great Kills, but yet drives a late model BMW, Audi or Mercedes. Or maybe he does have a 9-5 but is living way above his head. Those are the things that make you go "hmmmmm".


You can't tell me and some others that Staten Island is not being flooded with heroin and other stuff without the Italian Mafia knowing about it.
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