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Old 05-28-2015, 03:14 PM
 
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But what are these criminals supposed to do to make a living? It's all they know how to do? Would you rather they were living under a bridge?
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Old 05-28-2015, 03:35 PM
 
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If the choice is them committing crime or living under a bridge, let them do the latter.

One of these day, the government will get rid of cash. All transactions will be electronic, and based on biometrics. Even if you steal something, it will be so easy to trace illegal transactions, no one will pay your for it. So unless you can still something you directly need, there'd be no incentive to commit any kind of crime. The entire underground economy will be crushed.

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But what are these criminals supposed to do to make a living? It's all they know how to do? Would you rather they were living under a bridge?
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Old 05-28-2015, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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Cross Bay Blvd in Broad Channel was a complete mess yesterday morning. Had to take Marine Parkway bridge/Flatbush Avenue on the way back. Thankfully I know my way around.
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Old 05-28-2015, 09:09 PM
 
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These people should be tied to the tracks of the A/C:

Cable Theft Near Howard Beach Disrupted Service for Hundreds of Thousands
NYPD Transit Bureau Investigating Crime While MTA Crews Make Repairs
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Excuse me - I hope you're not suggesting that non-violent theft merits the death penalty.

What I find creepy about this is that it strikes me as a kind of Third World crime.
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Old 05-28-2015, 09:20 PM
 
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Not just copper, but any recyclable such as metal or paper is worth big money today and is being stolen.

On any given night you see vans from as far as Ohio or further, large U-Haul trucks and everything else cruising NYC streets and taking whatever metal or paper they can lay hands upon. They routinely go into the loading dock for the nursing home down the street from us to take the paper set aside for collection by a private carting company. They roll up in front of supermarkets/shops and other businesses and take the cartons and other paper bundled for collection by same.

New York City Breaks Up Cardboard Recycling Theft Operation | Paper content from Waste360

Thieves inflicting paper cut$ on city | New York Post

Three arrested in connection to recycling theft in NYC | Resource Recycling

and so it goes....

You can roll up to any recycling/scrap business in NYC with a van/truck load of paper or metal and they will purchase for cash no questions asked. OTOH in other states such businesses are not only required to be licensed, but must take a picture of the person (and or his ID), the vehicle (including plates) used *and* cannot make payments in cash above a certain amount per period to the same person. They may also be required to hold items for several days before destroying/shipping to give LE a chance to "find" missing goods.

Every scrap dealer knows fully well where stuff is coming from, some of them actually send persons out and or put word on the street. After all if the volume of stuff coming in declines they have nothing to sell.
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Old 05-29-2015, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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A lot of people aren't priveleged with a good upbringing and a solid education. All successful societies allow a certain criminal activity for enterprising and clever people who didn't get the breaks in life that they deserved.

Witness The Mafia which managed to control mayors, governors, and judges, perhaps even a couple presidents, all the while amassing imperial fortunes.
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:30 AM
 
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This suggest the industry needs a crackdown and regulatory overhaul, at least what I described above.

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Not just copper, but any recyclable such as metal or paper is worth big money today and is being stolen.

On any given night you see vans from as far as Ohio or further, large U-Haul trucks and everything else cruising NYC streets and taking whatever metal or paper they can lay hands upon. They routinely go into the loading dock for the nursing home down the street from us to take the paper set aside for collection by a private carting company. They roll up in front of supermarkets/shops and other businesses and take the cartons and other paper bundled for collection by same.

New York City Breaks Up Cardboard Recycling Theft Operation | Paper content from Waste360

Thieves inflicting paper cut$ on city | New York Post

Three arrested in connection to recycling theft in NYC | Resource Recycling

and so it goes....

You can roll up to any recycling/scrap business in NYC with a van/truck load of paper or metal and they will purchase for cash no questions asked. OTOH in other states such businesses are not only required to be licensed, but must take a picture of the person (and or his ID), the vehicle (including plates) used *and* cannot make payments in cash above a certain amount per period to the same person. They may also be required to hold items for several days before destroying/shipping to give LE a chance to "find" missing goods.

Every scrap dealer knows fully well where stuff is coming from, some of them actually send persons out and or put word on the street. After all if the volume of stuff coming in declines they have nothing to sell.
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:34 AM
 
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This was allowed to happen because the Mafia built up a vast fortune under prohibition, which gave it the means to buy out the political and law enforcement organizations, all the way to the top. Thankfully, in the '80's and later, using RICO, LE was able to take a big chunk out of them, and break their influence to a large degree.

Now we have the same problem with the global drug gangs. But would be the subject of an entirely different thread.

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Witness The Mafia which managed to control mayors, governors, and judges, perhaps even a couple presidents, all the while amassing imperial fortunes.
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Old 05-30-2015, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Whenever you impose prohibitions, you will have a generic mafia to gain power and wealth from them
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