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Old 05-28-2015, 01:06 PM
 
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all the renderings of the new towers rising on 57th Street, Billionaires' Row, seem to have one thing in common: no balconies. or terraces.

no doubt this omission comes from the extremely small square footage of each floor and, I would think, from the height of the buildings (not sure a balcony would be pleasant some 90 stories up).

still….I have to wonder…

isn't outdoor space virtually essential as part of the QOL of the luxury condominium. Look at penthouses whose strongest selling point is their outdoor space.

I can't imagine wanting and spending on such luxurious places as these condos without having the ability to walk outside from my residence.

am I alone in such thought or do others question the idea of luxury condos with no balcony or terrace?
A small balcony in a high-rise is one of the most overrated amenities, in my experience they rarely get used for their intended purpose. Additionally they are ugly to look at.
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Old 05-28-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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A small balcony in a high-rise is one of the most overrated amenities, in my experience they rarely get used for their intended purpose. Additionally they are ugly to look at.
Less so if recessed.

Despite being to nyc numerous times, iwas unaware balconies were rare. Id sayhere in chicago, balconies andterra es are more the norm.
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Old 05-28-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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Your average billionaire probably does not care that he can't grill a hotdog on his patio. On millionaires or less care about those things.
The New York City fire code prevents the use of grillers (or any open fire) on a balcony.
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Old 05-29-2015, 07:12 AM
 
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220 Central Park South, 111 West 57th Street, and probably the Park Lane tower will all have terraces. 252 West 57th Street has lots of balconies, so the premise of the thread is flawed.
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:13 AM
 
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220 Central Park South, 111 West 57th Street, and probably the Park Lane tower will all have terraces. 252 West 57th Street has lots of balconies, so the premise of the thread is flawed.
I question it being a flawed premise. at 65 floors, i don't know if it qualifies for one of the super falls on 57th St.

are there any of the 1000+ ft towers that will have extensive balconies?
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:43 AM
 
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Plus, they're probably part-time residences for many owners. And the owners also likely own other properties that have plenty of outdoor space.
Bingo. Anyone buying in billionaires row probably has a place in the Hamptons, or Bermuda, or wherever. They can be in East Hampton in a few minutes, via helicopter.

But some of the new towers do have outdoor space. 220 CPS has outdoor space, as does One Park Lane. In fact every unit at One Park Lane will have outdoor space.

Note too that these are terraces, not balconies. Balconies are considered undesirable in high-end Manhattan buildings. That's more associated with "commieblock" type housing from the 1960's, like something you would see in Warsaw or East Berlin.
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:47 AM
 
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are there any of the 1000+ ft towers that will have extensive balconies?
Yes. One Park Lane will be 1,210 ft. and will have terraces.

I doubt any high-end Manhattan buildings have balconies these days, but terraces do exist in some taller buildings.
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Note too that these are terraces, not balconies. Balconies are considered undesirable in high-end Manhattan buildings. That's more associated with "commieblock" type housing from the 1960's, like something you would see in Warsaw or East Berlin.
Odd that a balcony would be considered negative. What do you mean by a terrace?
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Old 05-29-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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Odd that a balcony would be considered negative. What do you mean by a terrace?

balcony and terrace are the same thing
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Old 05-29-2015, 10:39 AM
 
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There's another issue here. Balconies (possibly as opposed to roof terraces, but I'm not sure) go against a building's allowable floor area ratio under zoning. So if you build a balcony, every square foot you put outside is one less square foot you can have inside. And inside space is much more useful. When a developer is selling units for something like $7,000/sqft, every square foot counts.
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