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Old 09-29-2015, 05:12 PM
 
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Wait, are you telling me that banning the confederate flag and stigmatizing 30+ year old TV shows where it was displayed didn't fix this problem? Dang, who'da thought?
arent u an italian new yorker? why do u care about a confederate flag?
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Old 09-29-2015, 05:12 PM
 
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Thanks G-Dale.

My kids are half white and don't consider themselves white either now. When they were younger, before starting school, they referred to themselves as white (and black), but have been told by other kids that they aren't white. I'm always telling them that they're white too (that they're both!). You are partially white and people often assume you are, but you identify as non-white. It's complicated I guess.
It is not complicated. Look at obama, he identifies himself 100% as black, although his black ancester contributed nothing more than a sperm to his upbringing.

Also in the us, if you have tiny fraction of minority origin at 1/128th or less that is even invisible to conventional genetic test, you are officially a minority, Hispanic or black, even if you look Lily white.
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Old 09-29-2015, 05:13 PM
 
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I feel everyday Brooklyn is becoming more hipster and losing the appeal it had in the 80s/90s when it was considered a pretty rough borough alongside the Bronx.
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Old 09-29-2015, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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arent u an italian new yorker? why do u care about a confederate flag?
I don't. I care about Americans being told they can't do something, own something, or watch something that includes an inanimate object simply because the outrage industry has determined it to be "racist". I care about freedom.

And The Dukes was popular when I was a kid, so yeah, I don't care what the racialists think.
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Old 09-29-2015, 05:22 PM
 
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But that's the point. This thread is precisely about the refusal of people to live alongside. The newcomers must, absolutely MUST, remake everything in sight to be identical to their own flawed and not-so-pretty image.
There is most definitely a virulent strain of that thinking both in this story and in the world at large. I don't support the ideological or personal position of either the PS 8 OR PS 307 crowd (whom are acting equally as bigoted). If the city had any fortitude, they'd completely mix both PS 8 and PS 307 to send a message...

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And few of them are even from New York, which makes the whole thing even less tolerable. New York is being made over into an image they saw on television and on the internet.
I'm sorry, but this is another attitude that has got to stop. A large percentage of "NYers" aren't even from this country, let alone the five boroughs. This charge only seems to be leveled at white, upper-class transplants. Why does being born here (which is an event completely beyond your control) make you somehow more attune to the culture of NYC than some who made a willful, personal decision to come here, often at great uncertainty and risk in order to be apart of this great city? If for anything, they're more deserving since they choose to be NYers, while many so-called "Natives" fled for other lands for varied reasons.
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Old 09-29-2015, 05:30 PM
 
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I feel everyday Brooklyn is becoming more hipster and losing the appeal it had in the 80s/90s when it was considered a pretty rough borough alongside the Bronx.
Brooklyn began to "die" when Park Slope and Fourth Avenue were rezoned. The other shoe dropped when you started hearing "South Park Slope".

The Bougie, Hipster, Trendie or whatever will continue to push south in Brooklyn along the waterfront until it reaches Bayridge because we all know how much they love waterfront areas.
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Old 09-29-2015, 05:33 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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I'm sorry, but this is another attitude that has got to stop. A large percentage of "NYers" aren't even from this country, let alone the five boroughs. This charge only seems to be leveled at white, upper-class transplants. Why does being born here (which is an event completely beyond your control) make you somehow more attune to the culture of NYC than some who made a willful, personal decision to come here, often at great uncertainty and risk in order to be apart of this great city? If for anything, they're more deserving since they choose to be NYers, while many so-called "Natives" fled for other lands for varied reasons.

It's not about being born here, as has been discussed here exhaustively.

A "transplant" is a certain kind of person who does not belong here but insists on staying.
This is a relatively recent phenomenon.

Conversely, not all people who were born elsewhere fail to belong here. Many people who came here from elsewhere fit in perfectly. They usually did not fit in where they were living, middle America. They then proceeded to contribute rather than to re-make. The difference is enormous.

The best way to tell a transplant - granted, superficial - is defensiveness about such.
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Old 09-29-2015, 05:33 PM
 
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It is not complicated. Look at obama, he identifies himself 100% as black, although his black ancester contributed nothing more than a sperm to his upbringing.

Also in the us, if you have tiny fraction of minority origin at 1/128th or less that is even invisible to conventional genetic test, you are officially a minority, Hispanic or black, even if you look Lily white.


That's totally not true, people will consider you what race you look like to them

There are a lot of white people in the South with a small amount of black ancestry but nobody considers them black
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Old 09-29-2015, 06:08 PM
 
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A "transplant" is a certain kind of person who does not belong here
I tend to believe what makes NYC stand out from...

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middle America.
...is the belief that no one should feel as though they "Do not belong here". A NYC that is only for "Certain People" isn't really NYC, nor is it all that different from the "Murica" stereotype so many smugly deride.

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They then proceeded to contribute rather than to re-make. The difference is enormous.
Where the line is between contribution and recreation is can be subjective. Areas like Williamsburg definitley have experienced a sort of "Cultural Imperialism" where what was once there has been seemingly eviscerated by newcomers, and yes I agree with you this has been detrimental, but to think that "transplants" aren't/shouldn't add their notes to the orchestra is unrealistic.

Again, like many things in life, it's about pragmatism and balance. In many ways, the story at issue in this thread is a microcosm of how the politics of division/social pandering have manifested and filtered itself down to the community. For a city that sees itself as being the originator of the very concept of social/cultural/economic pluralism, it's shocking how much dog-whistle politics/attitudes still resonate with people here.
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Old 09-29-2015, 06:15 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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I tend to believe what makes NYC stand out from...



...is the belief that no one should feel as though they "Do not belong here". A NYC that is only for "Certain People" isn't really NYC, nor is it all that different from the "Murica" stereotype so many smugly deride.



Where the line is between contribution and recreation is can be subjective. Areas like Williamsburg definitley have experienced a sort of "Cultural Imperialism" where what was once there has been seemingly eviscerated by newcomers, and yes I agree with you this has been detrimental, but to think that "transplants" aren't/shouldn't add their notes to the orchestra is unrealistic.

Again, like many things in life, it's about pragmatism and balance. In many ways, the story at issue in this thread is a microcosm of how the politics of division/social pandering have manifested and filtered itself down to the community. For a city that sees itself as being the originator of the very concept of social/cultural/economic pluralism, it's shocking how much dog-whistle politics/attitudes still resonate with people here.
Hey, whatever.
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