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Old 11-03-2015, 06:31 PM
 
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OK I get your point. Any neighborhood which blacks buy homes is "busted up", even when the buy homes from whites, as they did in Canarsie, and Rosedale.

Put this way, any how you cut it BLACK IMMIGRANTS and BETTER of than are BLACK AMERICANS, and that was my point.

I leave you to discuss why black Americans are among the OLDEST groups in the USA, and yet are worse off than are most non white immigrant groups.


Statistical Portrait of the U.S. Black Immigrant Population | Pew Research Center

To say that Americans are buying homes in any part of Manhattan, aside from its northern parts is also a joke. Foreign millionaires are performing that role, chasing Americans, of all race, elsewhere, if they plan to be home owners. THIS is the underlying reason for gentrification, as I doubt that whites would be buying homes in BedStuy (one of the most impoverished areas, until recently)

It is amazing how fast Canarsie not only tipped but went totally over... But saw the same thing in areas of Staten Island and in fact it is still going on. Large parts of the North Shore are emptying out of whites/Europeans and you find blacks and Latino/Hispanics moving in.

However yes, it is sad that when the first minorities bought in what they considered a "nice" area they assumed (perhaps rather naively) things would not change and they would live in a racially mixed and diverse street/area. In too many cases that is not how things turned out.

All this being said one of the better indicators of an area's fiscal health are property values. While Brooklyn is "hot", Canarsie is another story.

Real Estate Market Trends for Canarsie, Brooklyn, NY - Trulia
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Old 11-03-2015, 06:41 PM
 
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Bringing this back on topic:

Past Sunday's NTY real estate section (besides the obligatory gay family feature) had a lengthy and interesting article about a family who left Brooklyn for the suburbs of Westchester. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...RkSYq_TUQqkN_g

The family had a nice two bedroom that they in a good part of Brooklyn that cost them $700k. However the increasing noise, density, hipster/transplant vibe was getting them down. In particular having a downstairs neighbor who blasted techno music at all hours keeping themselves and more importantly their children awake at night. In true "do as I say not as I do" NYC fashion this same resident while refusing to moderate his music playing complained about the "noise" caused by the children.

The family in particular was dreading the school situation. The public schools in their zoned area weren't that great. The few good private schools in Brooklyn were out of their reach financially. As they searched around for something new to buy anything in a moderately decent Brooklyn area with a good public school was more than they could afford. We're talking looking at a sad wreck of a place that cost 1.2 million (out of their budget) and really was too small.

Long story short they ended up in Westchester and are loving it. One of the first neighborhood events was a pot luck supper where they met large numbers of former Brooklyn residents. The husband said one of the first questions he and his wife were asked is " what part of Brooklyn did you move from"?

So yes, persons *ARE* moving out of NYC to the suburbs for many reasons. Brooklyn is very hot ATM but unless or until amenities come in particular good schools you will see more of this.
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:04 PM
 
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Bringing this back on topic:

Past Sunday's NTY real estate section (besides the obligatory gay family feature) had a lengthy and interesting article about a family who left Brooklyn for the suburbs of Westchester. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...RkSYq_TUQqkN_g

The family had a nice two bedroom that they in a good part of Brooklyn that cost them $700k. However the increasing noise, density, hipster/transplant vibe was getting them down. In particular having a downstairs neighbor who blasted techno music at all hours keeping themselves and more importantly their children awake at night. In true "do as I say not as I do" NYC fashion this same resident while refusing to moderate his music playing complained about the "noise" caused by the children.

The family in particular was dreading the school situation. The public schools in their zoned area weren't that great. The few good private schools in Brooklyn were out of their reach financially. As they searched around for something new to buy anything in a moderately decent Brooklyn area with a good public school was more than they could afford. We're talking looking at a sad wreck of a place that cost 1.2 million (out of their budget) and really was too small.

Long story short they ended up in Westchester and are loving it. One of the first neighborhood events was a pot luck supper where they met large numbers of former Brooklyn residents. The husband said one of the first questions he and his wife were asked is " what part of Brooklyn did you move from"?

So yes, persons *ARE* moving out of NYC to the suburbs for many reasons. Brooklyn is very hot ATM but unless or until amenities come in particular good schools you will see more of this.
I doubt those schools will get better if people keep avoiding them...I went to schools in a district that many people on CD would consider "subpar" but the education there was great, as long as you're willing to do the work.
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:15 PM
 
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I doubt those schools will get better if people keep avoiding them...I went to schools in a district that many people on CD would consider "subpar" but the education there was great, as long as you're willing to do the work.
You don't play Russian roulette with the education of one's children. Getting better is not the same as already having reached a certain level of quality. Some parents for various reasons are willing to take such chances, that is their choice.
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:31 PM
 
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You don't play Russian roulette with the education of one's children. Getting better is not the same as already having reached a certain level of quality. Some parents for various reasons are willing to take such chances, that is their choice.
Well, you obviously wouldn't want your kids to go to horrible schools, but some people's preferences reek of elitism.
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:32 PM
 
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Well, you obviously wouldn't want your kids to go to horrible schools, but some people's preferences reek of elitism.
"Elitism" ? Do you have children ?
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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Bringing this back on topic:

Past Sunday's NTY real estate section (besides the obligatory gay family feature) had a lengthy and interesting article about a family who left Brooklyn for the suburbs of Westchester. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...RkSYq_TUQqkN_g

The family had a nice two bedroom that they in a good part of Brooklyn that cost them $700k. However the increasing noise, density, hipster/transplant vibe was getting them down. In particular having a downstairs neighbor who blasted techno music at all hours keeping themselves and more importantly their children awake at night. In true "do as I say not as I do" NYC fashion this same resident while refusing to moderate his music playing complained about the "noise" caused by the children.

The family in particular was dreading the school situation. The public schools in their zoned area weren't that great. The few good private schools in Brooklyn were out of their reach financially. As they searched around for something new to buy anything in a moderately decent Brooklyn area with a good public school was more than they could afford. We're talking looking at a sad wreck of a place that cost 1.2 million (out of their budget) and really was too small.

Long story short they ended up in Westchester and are loving it. One of the first neighborhood events was a pot luck supper where they met large numbers of former Brooklyn residents. The husband said one of the first questions he and his wife were asked is " what part of Brooklyn did you move from"?

So yes, persons *ARE* moving out of NYC to the suburbs for many reasons. Brooklyn is very hot ATM but unless or until amenities come in particular good schools you will see more of this.
Schools take to long to change in gentry neighborhoods. Parents options are very limited when it comes to education. Either send their kids to magnet, or charter schools, bus their own kids to another school district, or move to or back to suburbia.
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:44 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Schools take to long to change in gentry neighborhoods. Parents options are very limited when it comes to education. Either send their kids to magnet, or charter schools, bus their own kids to another school district, or move to or back to suburbia.
They are not at all limited if you can pay for private schools, which people do.

This does not improve the quality of the schools in the neighborhoods, but who would sacrifice their own children.
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Old 11-03-2015, 08:02 PM
 
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Schools take to long to change in gentry neighborhoods. Parents options are very limited when it comes to education. Either send their kids to magnet, or charter schools, bus their own kids to another school district, or move to or back to suburbia.
Our better private schools from pre-k to prep are bursting and competition is keen. Then you have the costs piled on top of it all. Am hearing from more than a few parents of toddlers and small children that they are becoming *over* NYC and strongly considering a move to the suburbs.

Yes, many snatching up high priced NYC housing are "wealthy", but for a good number that wealth is mainly in assets not cash. Not everyone is paying two, three or more million for a brownstone or apartment is doing so with cash. Even with today's historic low mortgage rates you are paying plenty to buy and own a home in NYC.

The other thing is that as the City becomes more and more crowded it is losing much of the charm that attracted some. Everything becomes a competition for space and usually those with the most money and or connections win.
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:21 PM
 
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It really boggles my mind that "folks" live in neighborhoods that the folks that live in neighborhoods that are/were gentrified can complain about "we aint got no mo dolla stows yo!, they aint be takin EBT at da healf food stow son" while paying $500 a month rent for a 2BR apartment when "Hipster Charlie" one block over is paying 2500 for the same SQ footage in the same neighborhood, and then you have people complaining about segregating schools based on neighborhoods, which is pretty much a nationwide practice.. You cant make this stuff up, they do not call them poor just because their bank account's are poor. Beggars can't be choosers. They should designate some of the inhabited land upstate and give all these moochers who haven't worked a day in years a place there.
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