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Old 09-27-2015, 08:33 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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It's also worth pointing out that South Asians are counted as Asian on the Census and Middle Eastern and North African people are counted as white on the census. So if a neighborhood is say, 35% white, 25% Hispanic, 25% Asian, and 15% black, it would likely be even more diverse than you would think just by looking at the numbers.
Diversity exists in numbers rather than in lived experience ?

So ... we can now "prove" that an area is diverse.
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Old 09-27-2015, 08:39 PM
 
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Diversity exists in numbers rather than in lived experience ?

So ... we can now "prove" that an area is diverse.
Well I guess whether or not an area is diverse is subjective, but numbers are still useful.
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Old 09-27-2015, 08:40 PM
 
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Well I guess whether or not an area is diverse is subjective, but numbers are still useful.
For what ?
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Old 09-27-2015, 08:44 PM
 
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For what ?
Well, one could make an accurate judgement that Kensington is more diverse than Tottenville based off numbers alone
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Old 09-27-2015, 08:58 PM
 
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Well, one could make an accurate judgement that Kensington is more diverse than Tottenville based off numbers alone
I don't agree. There are too many complex factors that go into figuring actual diversity. They do certainly support uncritical complacency. As well as unexamined racism.

Such ways of thinking have certainly come under fire - as they should.
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Old 09-27-2015, 09:35 PM
 
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For many, the economic is racial.

Second, "not a lot but still" does not equal diversity.
As the SCOTUS stated in their HUD decision diversity cannot rely upon statistical numbers alone. The fact there are various minorities should be good enough. When you start going down the path of wanting "X" amounts represented based upon overall population that is going down a very slippery path.
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Old 09-27-2015, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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NYC is made up of diverse segregation. If people dont know that, chances are you have never experience things beyond your own race/culture and your 1-2 people you know who are different doesnt help your cause.
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Old 09-28-2015, 07:15 AM
 
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As the SCOTUS stated in their HUD decision diversity cannot rely upon statistical numbers alone. The fact there are various minorities should be good enough. When you start going down the path of wanting "X" amounts represented based upon overall population that is going down a very slippery path.
Precisely the point. "X" numbers of people who appear or identify to be "this" race mean little.

Schools are using the statistics also - although, not the decent ones. The most astoundingly non-diverse university can make itself appear more diverse than it actually is.

Whereas, it's not just about race but a racial-economic complex.

Hard to know how to address this.
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Old 09-29-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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Queens is definitely not. It's extremely diverse.
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Old 09-29-2015, 06:44 PM
 
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Eight pages of comments and we all keep dancing around the same thing; issue is not *race* per se; but socio-economic. Something liberals/Democrats and Progressives are putting very much in the news lately. They point out that where a child is born and thus where it attends primary and often secondary school pretty much largely determines its lot in life. Sadly for them between white flight and other things large parts of the United States aren't necessarily segregated by race, but by income/socio-economic status.

In parts of New York City and elsewhere you have "poor" white children attending the same schools as largely African-Americans and Latino-Hispanics. However over the years those numbers have dwindled as whites pretty much have high-tailed it out of "bad" areas.

Look at Orthodox Jews who by the way are often poor (they make a up a large portion of families receiving welfare/food stamps and in some parts of NYC dominate public housing), but don't have a dog in this fight. Why? Because they largely send their kids to Yeshivas but the kicker is often on a NYC taxpayer dime. That or the public schools in their areas are so dominated by those sects they pretty much have become defacto Yeshivas.

Anyone who thinks Mr. and Mrs. Yale or Mr. and Mr. Harvard living on the UWS or in certain parts of Brooklyn are going to send their kids to a local "hood" public school is the biggest fool. Yes, they are all for "equality" and "diversity" but the buck stops with their children's education. They are more than happy to fund and or even promote/support various experiments with other people's children, but not theirs.

As someone upthread noted these persons didn't get to where they are out of the blue. No, rather they followed a well worn path of good private or public school (in a good area) education and onto college and perhaps grad school. These people both straight and gay have decades of this loop and aren't about to break the chain now.

You mark my words, either a new public school will be built/space found within district for these children, that or a new private schools will pop up. Failing all of the above some families just will opt to move.
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