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Old 10-01-2015, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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Old 10-01-2015, 08:43 PM
 
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Its not about being fortunate or unfortunate. Either you make sacrifices and put the work in so that you can further your education so that you obtain a better job with better pay or you can take the lazy route and just blame everyone else other than yourself for your predicament. The choice is yours.
Sorry, I disagree-

The disparity of pay in jobs in the metro is too great to justify this.

Garbage men make more than teachers who make more than x-ray medical technicians.
Some waiters make more than security officers who make more than museum tour leaders.
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:13 PM
 
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Sorry, I disagree-

The disparity of pay in jobs in the metro is too great to justify this.

Garbage men make more than teachers who make more than x-ray medical technicians.
Some waiters make more than security officers who make more than museum tour leaders.
It takes work and training to get all of those positions. waiters often start out as bus boys or runners. It can take years to work your way up to being a high end server. Sanitation guys have to pass civil service exams so they have at least a basic education. Teachers have masters degrees and licenses. All of these positions paying far above the minimum wage require varying job training, experience, passing civil service exams or getting degrees. Servers in fining dining often have to have years NYC experience to get job.
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:19 PM
 
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Sorry, I disagree-

The disparity of pay in jobs in the metro is too great to justify this.

Garbage men make more than teachers who make more than x-ray medical technicians.
Some waiters make more than security officers who make more than museum tour leaders.
Various medical technicians are just that and some would argue are over paid in some instances for what they actually do. It is also worth noting there isn't a single function they do that cannot be done legally or otherwise by physicians or nurses. In fact back in the day it was either doctors or nurses who drew blood, started IVs, took X-rays, etc....

Sanitation workers are out in all sorts of weather lifting very heavy bags/bins. The are also dealing with refuse and that entails from rodent infested bags/bins to dead animals.

Those who complain DSNY is "over paid" would likely pee their pants at the prospect of the job or take to their beds for weeks after just one shift.
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:20 PM
 
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It takes work and training to get all of those positions. waiters often start out as bus boys or runners. It can take years to work your way up to being a high end server. Sanitation guys have to pass civil service exams so they have at least a basic education. Teachers have masters degrees and licenses. All of these positions paying far above the minimum wage require varying job training, experience, passing civil service exams or getting degrees. Servers in fining dining often have to have years NYC experience to get job.
So civil service exam > masters degree + licenses?
desk security guy in a building with 150 hour course > Museum Education background with BA?
Years of waitstaff experience > years of medical x-ray training?

Certain jobs are overpaid, certain jobs are underpaid.
That's life in the big city.

Issue is when 50K salaries don't cut middle income living, you get what you see in New York now.
A very displaced 'new' generation of middle class.
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:40 PM
 
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So civil service exam > masters degree + licenses?
desk security guy in a building with 150 hour course > Museum Education background with BA?
Years of waitstaff experience > years of medical x-ray training?

Certain jobs are overpaid, certain jobs are underpaid.
That's life in the big city.

Issue is when 50K salaries don't cut middle income living, you get what you see in New York now.
A very displaced 'new' generation of middle class.

If NYC and NYS cut some of their taxes and other rates then 50K would be a doable number.
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Old 10-01-2015, 11:16 PM
 
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If NYC and NYS cut some of their taxes and other rates then 50K would be a doable number.
No, because money is a shared commodity, taxation has an effect on us all.
I'm not making reference to 'class warfare' just that housing is the biggest fixed cost for New Yorkers which will be limited as some salaries are 3x, 5x, 10x others.

If you believe DSNY to be paid fairly, then NYCDOE is vastly underpaid.
I'm pro union, but NYC needs to radically implement more automation in fields where it is accessible in order to curb skyrocketing costs and salaries.
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Old 10-01-2015, 11:36 PM
 
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So civil service exam > masters degree + licenses?
desk security guy in a building with 150 hour course > Museum Education background with BA?
Years of waitstaff experience > years of medical x-ray training?

Certain jobs are overpaid, certain jobs are underpaid.
That's life in the big city.

Issue is when 50K salaries don't cut middle income living, you get what you see in New York now.
A very displaced 'new' generation of middle class.
Not overpaid or underpaid. People choose to go into those jobs and know what they are getting. Teachers have summers and many homidYs off and many of them do have other jobs and careers. The summer vacation alone is way more than what workers in any other profession get.

And there is nothing wrong with the pay of any of those jobs or the order in which they are paid.

No job is overpaid or underpaid. Jobs pay what the market will bear.
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Old 10-01-2015, 11:39 PM
 
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No, because money is a shared commodity, taxation has an effect on us all.
I'm not making reference to 'class warfare' just that housing is the biggest fixed cost for New Yorkers which will be limited as some salaries are 3x, 5x, 10x others.

If you believe DSNY to be paid fairly, then NYCDOE is vastly underpaid.
I'm pro union, but NYC needs to radically implement more automation in fields where it is accessible in order to curb skyrocketing costs and salaries.
Sanitation workers all year and does not have educations long breaks. As said before teachers can find work teaching or other work during the summer if they need more money.

Come to think of it of all professional teachers have short hours. People on the corporate sector work 80 hour weeks.
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Old 10-01-2015, 11:47 PM
 
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If NYC and NYS cut some of their taxes and other rates then 50K would be a doable number.
Can't cut taxes without cutting services. NYPD, NYFD, MTA, NYCDOE, NYPL, HHC, DSNY, and other municipal services serving 8 million people cost fantastic amounts of money to run.

The true cost is the real estate. 50k is very double in the parts of the outer boroughs and upper Manhattan people like to avoid.

Even in nicer parts of town if you are married, have a significant relationship, live with family, or have roommates it is very doable. Why do people with low salaries think they entitled to have their own spacious apartment in the most expensive pars of NYC. Either make a lot of money to get such a place, learn to live with others, or move out of town. Those are the options,
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