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Old 12-19-2015, 05:00 AM
 
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Low income housing? Isn't that what they call "the projects?"

Last time I checked, housing projects are a total failure that many cities have torn down and replaced with mixed income developments. Not a surprise you advocate going down a proven failed road.

Also, I don't see how Bloomberg had anything to do with luxury buildings. He has no control over what private property owners do with their properties. Oh I forgot, in your world common sense doesn't matter. Just tax/rob rich/white people and give to the black. I wonder what the black people are going to do after all that loot is spent. Go somewhere else and loot and rob some more, right?
Thanks to the housing project policies Black wealth is 5% of White wealth. People in projects have no assets to leave their children. The housing projects ended up creating massive segregation of Blacks and basically condemned the families of those who moved in to intergenerational poverty.

So NO, NO, NO, NO to more low income high rise housing.
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Old 12-19-2015, 05:02 AM
 
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The solution is to provide high density low-income housing.

No. It needs to provide high density middle-income housing. Since when has housing deadbeats and scrubs together in high density buildings EVER worked out!?
I think it needs to provide market rate housing. The entire nation cannot live in NYC. People will have to live where they can afford to live.

There's no constitutional right to live in Manhattan.
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Old 12-19-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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Low income housing? Isn't that what they call "the projects?"

Last time I checked, housing projects are a total failure that many cities have torn down and replaced with mixed income developments. Not a surprise you advocate going down a proven failed road.

Also, I don't see how Bloomberg had anything to do with luxury buildings. He has no control over what private property owners do with their properties. Oh I forgot, in your world common sense doesn't matter. Just tax/rob rich/white people and give to the black. I wonder what the black people are going to do after all that loot is spent. Go somewhere else and loot and rob some more, right?
Failed in other city due to poor social services and funding to maintain the building. Those cities that have torn down projects have serious housing crisis for low-income people. In New York, they haven't and actually have over 300,000 families waiting for an apartment to open up. This 300,000 and the 50,000 in the shelter present a serious crisis in affordable housing.

Bloomberg also gave leighway to alot developers to develop high density luxury buildings that they would have otherwise been unable to. For instance, he rezoned the entire Williamsburg waterfront to allow luxury housing developments. This is no way benefits working families.

Taxing the rich is not "looting" because it is actually the rich who exploit working people everyday. Without working people who would be the chauffer, the butler, the cook, the maid, the baby sitter for the rich? Working people do everything in this society. We build the buildings, we grow the food, we teach the kids, and heal the sick. The rich are actually the leeches in this society. Most rich don't even produce anything for society. They're landlords and stock gamblers. They just collect off our work.
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Old 12-19-2015, 12:32 PM
 
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Thanks to the housing project policies Black wealth is 5% of White wealth. People in projects have no assets to leave their children. The housing projects ended up creating massive segregation of Blacks and basically condemned the families of those who moved in to intergenerational poverty.

So NO, NO, NO, NO to more low income high rise housing.
LMAO the housing projects didn't create structural and institutional racism. That's called white power and capitalism. This entire system has a legacy from racism. Although through struggle, some things have improved.. the bosses and landlords seek to keep black people as a super-oppressed group to provide them with cheaper labor than white would accept. The projects are not the cause of this, and in fact was a response to poor housing conditions and high costs burdens that exist in the black community.
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Old 12-19-2015, 12:41 PM
 
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Failed in other city due to poor social services and funding to maintain the building. Those cities that have torn down projects have serious housing crisis for low-income people. In New York, they haven't and actually have over 300,000 families waiting for an apartment to open up. This 300,000 and the 50,000 in the shelter present a serious crisis in affordable housing.
NY has an affordability and housing shortage crisis. That's the only reason the slums aren't razed. Desperate people will take anything, even crime ridden and vermin infested projects are better than being homeless.

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Bloomberg also gave leighway to alot developers to develop high density luxury buildings that they would have otherwise been unable to. For instance, he rezoned the entire Williamsburg waterfront to allow luxury housing developments. This is no way benefits working families.
Show me where in the zoning text that says that housing in Williamsburg has to be luxury.

If you owned NYC property, I doubt you would build housing for the poor either. You would build condos and sell it for the highest prices you can get. If you say otherwise, you would be lying.

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Taxing the rich is not "looting" because it is actually the rich who exploit working people everyday. Without working people who would be the chauffer, the butler, the cook, the maid, the baby sitter for the rich? Working people do everything in this society. We build the buildings, we grow the food, we teach the kids, and heal the sick. The rich are actually the leeches in this society. Most rich don't even produce anything for society. They're landlords and stock gamblers. They just collect off our work.
We live in a free country. No one exploits anything. Those chauffers, butlers, cooks, maids and babysitters voluntarily (and in all cases try very hard) to get those jobs. There's minimum wage laws, healthcare requirements, etc. that all employers have to meet. This is not 1750 Jamaica sugar plantation.
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Old 12-19-2015, 12:53 PM
 
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Failed in other city due to poor social services and funding to maintain the building.
People have been saying this for the longest time.

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Nobody spends somebody else’s money as carefully as he spends his own. Nobody uses somebody else’s resources as carefully as he uses his own. So if you want efficiency and effectiveness, if you want knowledge to be properly utilized, you have to do it through the means of private property.

When everybody owns something, nobody owns it, and nobody has a direct interest in maintaining or improving its condition. That is why buildings in the Soviet Union—like public housing in the United States—look decrepit within a year or two of their construction.
- Milton Friedman
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Old 12-19-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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LMAO the housing projects didn't create structural and institutional racism. That's called white power and capitalism. This entire system has a legacy from racism. Although through struggle, some things have improved.. the bosses and landlords seek to keep black people as a super-oppressed group to provide them with cheaper labor than white would accept. The projects are not the cause of this, and in fact was a response to poor housing conditions and high costs burdens that exist in the black community.
So why are you advocating welfare housing for poor Blacks? If there are institutional barriers towards social mobility, why aren't you advocating for the erasing of these barriers?

Why not fight against the oppression that keeps Blacks super cheap labor? Because if Black people had access to better jobs, there'd be no need for them to be in welfare housing. They could buy their homes same as everyone else and have assets to leave their children.

Public housing is not kept in place to help poor Black people at all. It's a disaster which ruins families for GENERATIONS!
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Old 12-19-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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NY has an affordability and housing shortage crisis. That's the only reason the slums aren't razed. Desperate people will take anything, even crime ridden and vermin infested projects are better than being homeless.

Show me where in the zoning text that says that housing in Williamsburg has to be luxury.

If you owned NYC property, I doubt you would build housing for the poor either. You would build condos and sell it for the highest prices you can get. If you say otherwise, you would be lying.

We live in a free country. No one exploits anything. Those chauffers, butlers, cooks, maids and babysitters voluntarily (and in all cases try very hard) to get those jobs. There's minimum wage laws, healthcare requirements, etc. that all employers have to meet. This is not 1750 Jamaica sugar plantation.
When buildings get structurally compromised beyond repair, the city can (and has) ordered a vacate the premise order. Extremely decript buildings can be condemned and demolished. They do this more in rapidly gentrifying neighborhoods like the Lower East Side.

The federal and state governments over the years have cut funding to NYCHA knowing full well if the buildings get bad enough they have to raze them. The government is reducing it's involvement. It's also why de Blasio has allowed low income housing to be SOLD to DEVELOPERS, including some housing projects.
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Old 12-19-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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When buildings get structurally compromised beyond repair, the city can (and has) ordered a vacate the premise order. Extremely decript buildings can be condemned and demolished. They do this more in rapidly gentrifying neighborhoods like the Lower East Side.
We are talkng about NYCHA buildings, not private properties. They are falling apart superficially yes but they are for the most part still structurally sound. I have yet to see a NYCHA building get razed.
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Old 12-19-2015, 01:56 PM
 
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We are talkng about NYCHA buildings, not private properties. They are falling apart superficially yes but they are for the most part still structurally sound. I have yet to see a NYCHA building get razed.
A NYCHA development in Brooklyn was already razed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Plaza_Houses

They are building new building the place of the ones that were destroyed and not sure who will occupy the new buildings.

Revealed: Prospect Plaza -- New York YIMBY

So the new developments will have retail in them. Not sure what the income ranges of the new inhabitants will be.

But yeah NYCHA buildings if not properly maintained will eventually crumble to the point where they have to demolish them, like the original Prospect Plaza.
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