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Old 10-01-2015, 08:16 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Wait how do I feel righteous? The people did crimes to put themselves in jail, it is something they chose to do.
I don't believe you can rehabilatate most criminals.

If you want criminals to get paid min. wage, then they are making roughly 19K a year.
Mean while the single mother not in jail is working a mintage job making the same amount while she has to pay for her child, place to live, bills and food. So tell me how it that fair? If people made almost 20K a year in prison people would commit crimes just to go there. 5 years in the pen gives you 100K. Petty good money to get your life together.
I don't think you fully appreciate how complicated our legal system is and how easy it is to do something illegal without even being aware of it. I also don't feel it has to be an either/or thing. We can't fix one problem because the other problem is equally unfair? That's just an excuse.
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Old 10-01-2015, 08:19 PM
 
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Wait how do I feel righteous? The people did crimes to put themselves in jail, it is something they chose to do.
I don't believe you can rehabilatate most criminals.

If you want criminals to get paid min. wage, then they are making roughly 19K a year.
Mean while the single mother not in jail is working a mintage job making the same amount while she has to pay for her child, place to live, bills and food. So tell me how it that fair? If people made almost 20K a year in prison people would commit crimes just to go there. 5 years in the pen gives you 100K. Petty good money to get your life together.
If companies are mandated to pay the minimum wage to prison labor they won't hire them at all because there are no cost savings. They will hire regular workers in the outside. Which might be a good idea. I don't like the idea of prison labor competing with honest workers for private sector jobs. Now if they were doing work for certainly public sector jobs I might not mind costs being kept down this way. Letting the prisoners get used to work could potentially help get them used to life on the outside. I wouldn't want them to be forced to work. But if they could sign up for work to get reduced sentences and they demonstrated good behavior;
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Old 10-01-2015, 08:53 PM
 
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Also, most prisoners don't walk out with 100k in savings from their 75 cents an hour jobs. They spend that money in the commissary on snacks and personal care items.
Of course they don't now cause they are not paid min. wage. They are paid .75 cents.
My example was if they were being paid min. wage, which is about $9 an hour. IF they made that over 5 years time it would be 100K, minus taxes of course so say 80K. Your not gonna spend 80K in 5 years on snacks and personal items. **** you could spend $1000 a year and still walk out with 75K in savings.

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Old 10-01-2015, 09:01 PM
 
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I don't think you fully appreciate how complicated our legal system is and how easy it is to do something illegal without even being aware of it. I also don't feel it has to be an either/or thing. We can't fix one problem because the other problem is equally unfair? That's just an excuse.
I'm pretty sure I know how to behave to not land me in jail. Don't hurt someone, steal, misbehave, act inappropriately, lie, etc...
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:06 PM
 
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I'm pretty sure I know how to behave to not land me in jail. Don't hurt someone, steal, misbehave, act inappropriately, lie, etc...
Unless it's a terrible crime first time offenders are often let go in the condition that they not repeat the crime within six months. Then their record gets erased. Or for those that do get convicted the first time the sentence might be a short time in jail and probation. Long term prison sentences are for repeat offenders or those who did serious crimes.
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:12 PM
 
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If companies are mandated to pay the minimum wage to prison labor they won't hire them at all because there are no cost savings. They will hire regular workers in the outside. Which might be a good idea. I don't like the idea of prison labor competing with honest workers for private sector jobs. Now if they were doing work for certainly public sector jobs I might not mind costs being kept down this way. Letting the prisoners get used to work could potentially help get them used to life on the outside. I wouldn't want them to be forced to work. But if they could sign up for work to get reduced sentences and they demonstrated good behavior;
Maybe all the companies the government bailed out should have to pay back the debt and work in prisons for free
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Old 10-02-2015, 07:05 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I'm pretty sure I know how to behave to not land me in jail. Don't hurt someone, steal, misbehave, act inappropriately, lie, etc...
In other words you really have no idea how many laws we have on the books. Do you have a cc license? Because regulations on how to properly store and carry your gun when you're traveling between counties, cities and states can change and what's legal in one county can land you in jail in the next one if a cop pulls you over. That's just one example out of thousands of ways you can get arrested and screwed over.
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Old 10-02-2015, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Maybe all the companies the government bailed out should have to pay back the debt and work in prisons for free
No, you see, corporations are persons under law with all the benefits that accrue to personhood UNTIL they commit a crime. Then they become non-persons, like a lamp. You cannot very well imprison a lamp.
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Old 10-02-2015, 10:14 AM
 
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The prisoners are learning valuable career skills! I can just see the scene in some artisanal bakery or whatever, "hey man cool prison-style tats"..."
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Old 10-02-2015, 10:28 AM
 
Location: NYC
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We should put more prisoners to work than just keeping them in solitude. Punishment is one thing but making people become productive members of society is more important.
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