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Old 10-03-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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All in favor of it. Perhaps the government should encourage the construction of SRO's where people who make 10 - 15 bucks an hour can live. Instead of providing sweetheart deals for developers in exchange for a piddly number of units of "affordable" housing that I still can't afford.

The latter winds up being welfare for the rich.
This could pay off if the living units were modular pods, just big enough for a human body to lie down in, with a small locker. Gang showers on each floor. Cutting edge surveillance tech to prevent abuses and breaking of rules.
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Old 10-03-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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New York City is lone in this thinking that *everyone* needs to live within its limits. Other major cities world around have persons who commute into the urban area then go back home. Granted Paris, London, etc... all have vastly better transit systems and urban is integrated with suburban so to make things seamless as possible.

Beautiful downtown Brooklyn is starting to look like Wall Street across the water. That is the only way NYC has prayer of creating nearly enough affordable housing but who wants to live like that?
Paris had an issue building new structures over so many landmarked buildings. It worked around the problem by constructing a new business district in the outskirts between versailles. Now a lot of Parisians actually live in the old city and reverse commute to work.
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Old 10-03-2015, 07:35 PM
 
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The government needs to get out of the housing business completely and return to a market system. That would entail phasing out HUD, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, FHA, mortgage bailouts, Section 8, housing projects, mortgage interest deductions, rent control, rent stabilization, Mitchell Lama, 80/20, 421a, HDFC, taxpayer-funded shelters, overly strict regulations that prevent new construction, etc.

If the government must be involved in housing, it should be in the form of vouchers given to citizens who meet strict criteria. And those should be for a limited amount of time, not for life.

All able bodied/minded individuals should be for finding housing that they can afford.
None of the above will happen so don't worry we will permanently have government involvement in housing and the financing of such.
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Old 10-04-2015, 03:37 PM
 
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This could pay off if the living units were modular pods, just big enough for a human body to lie down in, with a small locker. Gang showers on each floor. Cutting edge surveillance tech to prevent abuses and breaking of rules.
I'd be OK with that.
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Old 10-04-2015, 08:56 PM
 
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Again between federal, state and or local interference (ok, programs) about sixty percent of the rental housing market of NYC falls under some sort of government control. And somehow, somehow the poor and whatever are always going on about they cannot afford housing.

If you dig deeper into the numbers from both stated and unreported income many of these persons could live just fine elsewhere. But no, you have those on say SS and a pension clinging onto a RS or RC apartment that is consuming half their income in rent because they "want to remain in NYC". Ok fair enough but that is a choice they are making.

Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different outcome. No other housing market is as vastly interfered with by government than New York City and the results are the same.
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Old 10-04-2015, 11:55 PM
 
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Again between federal, state and or local interference (ok, programs) about sixty percent of the rental housing market of NYC falls under some sort of government control. And somehow, somehow the poor and whatever are always going on about they cannot afford housing.

If you dig deeper into the numbers from both stated and unreported income many of these persons could live just fine elsewhere. But no, you have those on say SS and a pension clinging onto a RS or RC apartment that is consuming half their income in rent because they "want to remain in NYC". Ok fair enough but that is a choice they are making.

Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different outcome. No other housing market is as vastly interfered with by government than New York City and the results are the same.
Poor people do not save money by moving out of NYC, Leave NYC and you gain automobile costs. Other subtle costs of living include distance from hospitals/medical care, grocery stores, etc. The poor have a better deal in NYC so they stay if they can.
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