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Old 10-17-2015, 08:57 AM
 
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No it would not have significantly increased. If you read my intial post you would see how the process of gentrification hyper-accelerated the increase of rent, and the mass evictions of low-income families.
That's made up nonsense.

Low income families in NYC are almost entirely in rent-regulated housing. Gentrification has zero effect on their housing situation, since their housing isn't part of the market. That's why you still have plenty of poor people living in Manhattan neighborhoods where a one bedroom costs upward of $1 million.

Gentrification only negatively affects affluent people who are less affluent than those moving in. The minority of New Yorkers in market rate rental housing are negatively affected. Everyone else benefits or is not affected.

And there is no "hyper acceleration of rents" nor "mass evictions of low income familes". Rent increases in NYC are actually below the national average in recent times (and far below the situations in SF, Seattle and some other tech-heavy cities) and NYC has, by far, the toughest anti-eviction laws in the U.S.

NYC is tenant heaven compared to almost every other U.S. city, where tenants have no rights and can be evicted anytime. In NYC you can refuse to pay your rent and it will take a landlord more than a year and tens of thousands in legal fees to get your removed, and you still might stay if the city negotiates a stay by giving the landlord a chunk of money to cover most of the unpaid rent gap (which DeBlasio has been doing with increasing frequency).
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Old 10-17-2015, 08:58 AM
 
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If you don't own the property, then you don't own the right to dwell in it without the owners permission. The very fact that Manhattan was brought in a fair transaction is actually a pretty benign historical event. In most cases, some group of people shows up with bigger guns/spears and says "Mine".
That's exactly what's going on now here. Mega-rich and yuppies coming in to poor people's neighborhoods with a bigger spear saying "mine." That's the problem is that property ownership favors the rich. That's why I'm a big fan of HFDC Coops, Mitchell Lama Coops, rent strikes, etc.. where tenants band together and take control of their homes. But in the long run, I think we need to be innovative and work to provide more low-income homeownership possibilities.
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Old 10-17-2015, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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That's exactly what's going on now here. Mega-rich and yuppies coming in to poor people's neighborhoods with a bigger spear saying "mine." That's the problem is that property ownership favors the rich. That's why I'm a big fan of HFDC Coops, Mitchell Lama Coops, rent strikes, etc.. where tenants band together and take control of their homes. But in the long run, I think we need to be innovative and work to provide more low-income homeownership possibilities.
Thankfully we live in a country that protects property rights. I hope your socialist ideals crash and burn.
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Old 10-17-2015, 09:20 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Thankfully we live in a country that protects property rights. I hope your socialist ideals crash and burn.
That's adorably naive. Have you ever heard of Eminent Domain?
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Old 10-17-2015, 09:29 AM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Thankfully we live in a country that protects property rights. I hope your socialist ideals crash and burn.
Even more thankfully, you live in Colorado.
I hope your no-ideals crash and burn. As they tend to do.
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Even more thankfully, you live in Colorado.
I hope your no-ideals crash and burn. As they tend to do.
I plan on moving to NYC yes I am one of those dreaded people who wil pay more rent tax and improve your city.
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:51 AM
 
Location: West Harlem
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I plan on moving to NYC yes I am one of those dreaded people who wil pay more rent tax and improve your city.
Nobody dreads - the word is "dislike."

And this would depend what kind of person you are, although the evidence IS mounting in the negative direction.

And ... what would a "rent tax" be. I mean, you know, exactly.
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:54 AM
 
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Manhattan is the playground of the ultra rich wall street execs. IF you live in NY everyone knows this, simple way to view it, outside of Manhattan water is $1 a bottle, once you cross whatever bridge or take whatever ferry or subway to get there the cost of water is $2 a bottle. It's priced based on the wealth of those who chose to pay $2000 a month for a one bedroom that can't even fit a king sized mattress in there. If they can afford to pay that for a little POS apartment then there is no complaints about the cost of everything else.
For the average person Manhattan is not affordable and so you live in the outer boroughs, however what is happening is that for the average wealthy person (not the elite rich) manhattan is also becoming affordable and they complain to their state legislators, now we all know politicians only listen to those with money because they can afford to fund their campaigns so they started the push to make some of the outer boroughs more appealing to live, more cop patrols, more state budget invested in certain areas to clean up the place and attract those average wealthy ala Gentrification.
So essentially you have working poor and just poor who have a community where they help each other get by being uprooted by those who feel I pay more taxes (relative to income) so i deserve to be here and they slowly force these people out however the downside is uprooting someone who is just getting by on their meager salary and saying find somewhere to live is hard when they probably have no savings to put down for first months rent etc, so you have a explosion of ppl in shelters and on the streets and the city essentially caused this so now they must spend to house these ppl while at the same time using them as scapegoat for the crime etc.

NYC in a nutshell
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Nobody dreads - the word is "dislike."

And this would depend what kind of person you are, although the evidence IS mounting in the negative direction.

And ... what would a "rent tax" be. I mean, you know, exactly.
Rent and tax
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Old 10-17-2015, 11:26 AM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Manhattan is the playground of the ultra rich wall street execs. IF you live in NY everyone knows this, simple way to view it, outside of Manhattan water is $1 a bottle, once you cross whatever bridge or take whatever ferry or subway to get there the cost of water is $2 a bottle. It's priced based on the wealth of those who chose to pay $2000 a month for a one bedroom that can't even fit a king sized mattress in there. If they can afford to pay that for a little POS apartment then there is no complaints about the cost of everything else.
For the average person Manhattan is not affordable and so you live in the outer boroughs, however what is happening is that for the average wealthy person (not the elite rich) manhattan is also becoming affordable and they complain to their state legislators, now we all know politicians only listen to those with money because they can afford to fund their campaigns so they started the push to make some of the outer boroughs more appealing to live, more cop patrols, more state budget invested in certain areas to clean up the place and attract those average wealthy ala Gentrification.
So essentially you have working poor and just poor who have a community where they help each other get by being uprooted by those who feel I pay more taxes (relative to income) so i deserve to be here and they slowly force these people out however the downside is uprooting someone who is just getting by on their meager salary and saying find somewhere to live is hard when they probably have no savings to put down for first months rent etc, so you have a explosion of ppl in shelters and on the streets and the city essentially caused this so now they must spend to house these ppl while at the same time using them as scapegoat for the crime etc.

NYC in a nutshell
The only part you missed - the nouveau kind-of rich but not really (with nothing at all going on) are moving to New York from elsewhere. One too many episodes of Carrie Bradshaw, or probably more accurately - "Girls." They believe they see themselves in that insipid identity. Look how many people have posted here, moving to New York with several children. That's all we need. We should use our resources to take care of the families we already have living here.

It is not the case that nobody with money cares about this. Nor is it the case that only wealth matters. People need to be organized, speak up, know their rights in apartments. And they need to make sure they play by the rules lest things be held against them. Because they will be, and then some.

Random comment, there are an astounding number of conservative trolls posting on various threads. Who knows where they live. They post against rent regulation, section 8, what have you, holding the belief that "people" will see them as the common man. They aren't. It is therefore important that people speak out.

It is fairly easily to recognize the trolls from people with legitimate opinions - difference is always fine. Some of the trolls are paid. This is an increasingly common practice.
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