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Old 10-12-2015, 04:03 PM
 
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You need a "permission slip" from the commissioner? What are we, toddlers? The people are supposed to rule the politicians, not the other way around. The Founding Fathers are probably rolling around in their graves. I can't imagine how they could have been any more clearer.
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Old 10-12-2015, 04:23 PM
 
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i kid you not . it is an actual slip of paper that says you are allowed to leave the premise to go to a "nypd authorized range " or hunting in authorized hunting areas with proper licensing .


it really is needed since state law says the residence permit is only good inside your residence .

nyc is using that licence type as a replacement for the old target hunting license which was actually a restricted carry . so they needed to get around the fact you are not supposed to be off premise .
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:15 PM
 
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District judge. Just the beginning.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:23 PM
 
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Get rid of the rapper pop-a-cap image out of the negros and boom NYC and NY state could go back to not worrying about guns. They have motor-mouth ( big-mama ) dancing around with the idea of how guns are bad. Honestly you have veterans on disability ( social security ) with guns on there grounds. Point being there is the license to carry a concealed weapon as well.
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Old 10-14-2015, 03:02 AM
 
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District judge. Just the beginning.
i doubt it will go further . this is not the first attempt at stopping the use of our residence permit for target and hunting .


for as long as we have been getting the permission slip which is about 20 years now , there has not been any challenge by some towns law enforcement as to our right to be off premise hunting .

all cases have met the same demise , the court fails to see how the license as issued with the mods has been a problem for any plaintiff .

years ago it was argued the nyc commissioner can't over ride state laws and make a permit restricted by law to the residence something that can be taken at will hunting or target shooting in other locality's of the state .

court ruled it has not been a problem and until it is there is no case . higher courts rejected hearing it.
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Old 10-14-2015, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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actually the meaning according to the courts is you have a right to own a
firearm but the locality's have the right to mold just what you can do with it
or where you can go with it and how to fit the location ..
And that's why I said that it was a pity that judges cannot read and understand a simple phrase, "shall not be infringed."

<I liked the bare arms line...reminds me to get to the gym.>
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Old 10-14-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Has a Second Amendment infringement challenge to gun restriction ever reached the Supreme Court?

I have to wonder why the NRA, with their $billions and legal staffs, have they never brought a case against de facto infringement. Are they afraid that even the Supremes cannot understand plain Eighteenth Century English? Probably.
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Old 10-14-2015, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Heller and McDonald are the most recent cases which came closest to cementing the rights protected by the 2nd. NY is in clear violation of those cases because it still criminalizes handgun ownership absent a permit. SCOTUS basically decided that the government has nearly no room to regulate gun ownership inside ones home, only in public.
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Old 10-14-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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all the case decided was that there has to be a permit system in place that grants permits to those that meet the reasonable criteria , for possessing a handgun in ones home .

it did not say anyone has the right to have one nor walk around with it . it still up holds the supreme court rulings that locality's can modify the permits to better fit the individual locations

the issue in chicago was :

Due to Chicago's requirement that all firearms in the city be registered, yet refusing all handgun registrations after 1982 when a citywide handgun ban was passed, he was unable to legally own a handgun. As a result, in 2008, he joined three other Chicago residents in filing a lawsuit which became McDonald v. Chicago.[7]
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Old 10-14-2015, 07:43 PM
 
Location: NYC
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It's the Police unions that wants the gun laws so they get to keep their jobs. Which is why shop owners here hate it, they have to rely on the NYPD for protection.
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