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Old 10-12-2015, 03:13 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Who do you think urinates in and vandalizes the buildings? Its the people who live there! Its not like middle class folks take a detour on their way to/from work to **** in the stairwells/elevators of these buildings.
It certainly isn't all of the residents. In fact, the majority of residents have likely been complaining about this and much more for years and years and years. Things only start moving when an area or building stands in the landscape of real estate development, and this hasn't really happened with the projects. The fact that there is now some discussion makes me wonder what is under planning behind closed doors.

Hard to keep assuring the law abiders that the system is on their side when nobody does anything at all about the anti-socials. This has a lot to do with whatever department in the city not wanting to spend $$$$$ on even justified evictions on the one hand, and not wanting to be forced to find alternate housing for the evictees on the other.
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Old 10-12-2015, 03:21 PM
 
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It certainly isn't all of the residents. In fact, the majority of residents have likely been complaining about this and much more for years and years and years. Things only start moving when an area or building stands in the landscape of real estate development, and this hasn't really happened with the projects. The fact that there is now some discussion makes me wonder what is under planning behind closed doors.

Hard to keep assuring the law abiders that the system is on their side when nobody does anything at all about the anti-socials. This has a lot to do with whatever department in the city not wanting to spend $$$$$ on even justified evictions on the one hand, and not wanting to be forced to find alternate housing for the evictees on the other.
Never said all the residents partake in such behavior. Fact is, there are some decent people who live in NYCHA. It's also a fact that those who ruin the buildings are the ones who live there.
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Old 10-12-2015, 07:29 PM
 
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It is mind numbing that people feel they are entitled to live in New York City, if you cant afford it MOVE!!! THATS LIFE!! Areas turn less expensive areas turn more expensive. These people need a reality check, too much time on the governments breast will do that.
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Old 10-12-2015, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Even though we have been living under De Blasio for two years since his election. The affects of 12 years of Bloomberg as Mayor of NYC is still being felt well into De Blasio tenure as mayor. It's going to take a while for those without means to come up to an almost near or playing field with the gentry. Also the Feds have to play their part as well. Income inequality has been rising thanks to feds cutting taxes for the rich and wealthy regardless of democrat or republican which is creating a runaway widening gap. The greatest fear for two-faced liberals and conservatives is an candidate that is a "populist" and is elected who can shake things up on capital hill, state capitals, town halls and city halls.. Bloomberg affects as mayor will be felt well into the end of De Blasio end as mayor of this city.
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:36 PM
 
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If it wasn't for Bloomberg and Guilliani New York city would be carbon copies of Baltimore, DC, Philadelphia...People on welfare are never an asset to the "team". Yes they need to survive send them upstate where cost of living is cheap, they are owed housing in the city because they were born and raised a deadbeat in new york city?
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:52 PM
 
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The 'report' conveniently leaves out the fact that Gentrification does help the poor in other ways, such as more reliable public transit, prettying up the neighborhood, fewer vandalizations/muggings, and driving out gangs.

I agree that opening a new Starbucks on the corner doesn't really help the poor. They can't even afford McD's coffee. LoL.
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:53 PM
 
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The 'report' conveniently leaves out the fact that Gentrification does help the poor in other ways, such as more reliable public transit, prettying up the neighborhood, fewer vandalizations/muggings, and driving out gangs.
Good point.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:06 AM
 
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If it wasn't for Bloomberg and Guilliani New York city would be carbon copies of Baltimore, DC, Philadelphia...People on welfare are never an asset to the "team". Yes they need to survive send them upstate where cost of living is cheap, they are owed housing in the city because they were born and raised a deadbeat in new york city?
If they are sent upstate, they would just create new ghettoes upstate. Why do you people think some other county is just so eager to let NYC's poor be dumped on them?

Chicago demolished it's housing projects and moved the residents to working class suburbs. Crime skyrocketed and Chicago's murder rate is three times that of NYC.

But the thing is the federal government paid for the projects and created the problems. When poor families were moving in the projects, it was the government that specifically wanted only single women and no fathers. So marriages broke up around these lines (they thought they were doing the best for their kids as pre projects they lived in busted up buildings without heat or running water). While whites got subsidized mortgages to buy decent homes in the suburbs or where able to benefit from the GI bill (Stuytown joking called the white projects was for white veterans) and many of them used the GI bill to get degrees and move into the professional class, these routes were unavailable to Black families until the 1970s or so. It takes generations to turn families around once they fall into the dumps.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:08 AM
 
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The 'report' conveniently leaves out the fact that Gentrification does help the poor in other ways, such as more reliable public transit, prettying up the neighborhood, fewer vandalizations/muggings, and driving out gangs.

I agree that opening a new Starbucks on the corner doesn't really help the poor. They can't even afford McD's coffee. LoL.
The improved tax base makes more money available for schools, for social services/mental health, for parks, for the library, etc.

NYC has city owned gyms/recreation centers, many of which come with public pools. These public amenities also get more funding in taxpayer dollars thanks to gentrification.

With that said it's not so much the people moving in, but the huge tax credits that developers get that lead to the destruction of tenements and their replacement with luxury housing.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:49 AM
 
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Out with the real citizens. In with the non-heterosexuals, Gaykk, and Fem-Nazi's. All of them from the west-west, and other small townships ( police job driven towns ), coming here trying to have the city life and all. There are some good people from that bunch but seriously I hate seeing this bs go on.

You need to watch "Flag Wars" the film. It will change your view about gentrification

All we gotta do is be like Madmax and carry Mister Death in our pockets to solve the new problem. It is like a "backwards Death Wish film" or the final sequence of "Toxic Avenger part 4''. The Gangsters are all the old people who lives peacefully, and the soft people are the gingers coming to take over with the KKK flags, driving the faggio bikes ( a type of bike ), dressed up in there colors. It is like cowardly monsters who hides behinds the police just so they do not have to see anything outside there imaginary racist sphere.

Again all I see is an cult using tatics via the law system. Make it look like they are for city but they are really the true monsters in hiding.

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