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Old 02-02-2016, 12:06 AM
 
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Trump finished second place in Iowa, and though this does not finish him it takes a lot away from his campaign.

The last New Yorker who ran for Republican candidate was Giuliani and his campaign got nowhere as well. Is it possible that much of the nation doesn't like NYC, ESPECIALLY those who would turn out in Republican primaries? Honestly I think Trump is done.

So far it looks like Hillary barely beat Sanders. She can win because though she repped NY she isn't from NY and had never lived here till she was Senator. And her last gig was Secretary of State.

I think it's impossible for a New York Republican to appeal to the national Republican base, even if they do say anti immigrant/offensive/racist things. They can't just appeal to the Christian conservatives who Cruz won over.
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Old 02-02-2016, 12:18 AM
 
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Americans fall for the same type of candidate every time. It never fails. That's why Rubio will be the next president. With Rubio or Clinton you will see more illegal immigrants, less jobs for middle class. Military will keep losing battles. More gridlock in Washington, and bad deals.

Clinton and Rubio are the 2 worst candidates out there, yet somehow they will both win easily. Same ole, same ole.
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Old 02-02-2016, 12:32 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Let's see how the other states vote first before we declare anybody a winner/loser. Iowa is just one of 50 states.
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Old 02-02-2016, 02:20 AM
 
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First of all DT is an idiot and a blowhard as well. There was *NO* chance he was going to win Iowa much less win the Republican nomination.


For all the noise surrounding DT smart sectors of the Republican party actually have learned from 2012 and after just barely beating down the Tea Party going to put up with DT making the Party look like total AHs. Long story short Republicans want to win this year and aren't going to nominate some loon from New York.


Being as all this may it has always been an uphill battle and very long shot for any New York City or State politician to win the WH. Franklin and Theodore Roosevelt managed to pull it off. However Al Smith and Nelson Rockefeller couldn't, and Mario Cuomo didn't even get out of the starting gate.


Hillary Clinton is a carpetbagger NYS politician who only came here because the grasping and self promoting Clintons saw an in with an empty US senate seat.
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:19 AM
 
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Trump finished second place in Iowa, and though this does not finish him it takes a lot away from his campaign.

The last New Yorker who ran for Republican candidate was Giuliani and his campaign got nowhere as well. Is it possible that much of the nation doesn't like NYC, ESPECIALLY those who would turn out in Republican primaries? Honestly I think Trump is done.

So far it looks like Hillary barely beat Sanders. She can win because though she repped NY she isn't from NY and had never lived here till she was Senator. And her last gig was Secretary of State.

I think it's impossible for a New York Republican to appeal to the national Republican base, even if they do say anti immigrant/offensive/racist things. They can't just appeal to the Christian conservatives who Cruz won over.
I cant say NYC is doomed from national politics, especially since much funding from Wall Street goes into the coffers of politicians, aides, think tanks, judges and so on in DC. NYC republicans are not part of the mainline republican party in ideology. Another thing is that Guliani did not have deep pockets to fund a presidential campaign, and did not have friends with deep pockets to fund his campaign to be president.


As for Trump? Trump has deep pockets, and he has friends such as AIPAC and other pro Israel lobbies who support Trump all the way for president. Also the Republican party is divided and the Republican party will be in trouble of Trump wins the nomination. Big problem is that plenty of young men who are tired of the deomocratic party have jumped ship and went over to the Republicans, these young former democrats mainly white are supporting Trump. What destroyed the Republican party was the Tea Party Movement which spilited the party into two camps. The Republican party is deeply divided between conservative, moderate and republican liberals of the Northeast like Guliani. The Repblican party is going to have trouble with elections for years to come on the national level, however on the local level everything is nice and dandy.




As for Hillary Clinton? She is backed and bought by the elitist liberal wing of Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Tinsel Town and etc. Hillary Clinton represents the best of Wall Street and their cronies. Hillary will carry NYC, no doubt about that and she will carry California, Massachusetts, Connecticut, NJ, Illinois and other liberal states of the Union. The big problem will be states that have been hit hard during the recession who prefer the ideals of Bernie Sanders. Trump is status quo, he is Wall Street and he backs himself, while the Republican wing of wall street backs candidates like Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio.


The Democrats are also divided. The liberal elitist of Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Hollywood all fear Bernie Sanders. If your someone making a 6 figure salary as a corporate CEo and living in a hip pad in Williamsburg, or Chelsea, you better fear Bernie Sanders because he is going to make sure that person pays his or fair share of federal taxes. Liberal Elites are already attacking Bernie Sanders and posting false lies on CNN aka the Clinton News Network. Liberal elites are throwing their backs behind Hillary Clinton. If Clinton fails, another liberal Elite, Mike Bloomberg might step in to take on Bernie or Trump. From San Francisco, to Boston, many liberal elites fear Bernie Sanders. ITs so bad that Washington Post, which is a kosher Liberal paper spilled negative connotations against Bernie Sanders. I cant wait till the NYT follow similar suit as the Washington Post in order to attack Bernie.


SO far these elections have been very politically divided. Liberals have a disdain and fear of progressive populist, while the Republican Party shows visible cracks. Sad thing is that who ever wins, have to continue the work and legacy left in place of Ronald Reagan which was passed down from administration after administration regardless of Democrat or Republican.

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Old 02-02-2016, 04:51 AM
 
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Americans fall for the same type of candidate every time. It never fails. That's why Rubio will be the next president. With Rubio or Clinton you will see more illegal immigrants, less jobs for middle class. Military will keep losing battles. More gridlock in Washington, and bad deals.

Clinton and Rubio are the 2 worst candidates out there, yet somehow they will both win easily. Same ole, same ole.
Why do you think Rubio will be the republican candidate when Cruz did better than him in Iowa?
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Old 02-02-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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Why do you think Rubio will be the republican candidate when Cruz did better than him in Iowa?

Rubio can count on 100% of the Hispanic vote the same way that Obama could always count on 100% of the black vote.
Racism is alive and well in this country and many people vote only this single issue.


But I think Trump will be the GOP candidate and I also think that Hillary has the lock on the Democratic nod. In the most right wing, capitalist country on the planet, of, by and for the moneyed class, no socialist will be allowed to have his hat in the ring, so Bernie Sanders has the same chance today of being the candidate that he had a year ago: zero.
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Old 02-02-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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Rubio can count on 100% of the Hispanic vote the same way that Obama could always count on 100% of the black vote.
Racism is alive and well in this country and many people vote only this single issue.

During my voting live, Obama was the sixth black person to run for president (and that list includes Jesse Jackson). Yet, he was the first and only black candidate that attracted significant black votes. Every other time, black voters backed the white candidate. Even in Obama's case, most blacks were initially inclined toward Clinton until the Iowa caucuses proved whites were willing to vote for Obama.


So how can it be claimed that blacks vote only on race? That is not the history of black voting patterns even in lower-level elections. Black Americans do tend to vote overwhelmingly Democratic, but overwhelmingly Democratic for whoever the Democratic candidate turns out to be. If Colin Powell had run for president and actually won the Republican nomination, that might have been an interesting test case, but a black preference for Obama over McCain and Romney proves nothing about race and the black vote.


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But I think Trump will be the GOP candidate and I also think that Hillary has the lock on the Democratic nod. In the most right wing, capitalist country on the planet, of, by and for the moneyed class, no socialist will be allowed to have his hat in the ring, so Bernie Sanders has the same chance today of being the candidate that he had a year ago: zero.

Younger voters don't have the visceral reaction to the word "socialist" that Boomers and War Gen voters have.
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:57 AM
 
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Almost half the time the person who wins Iowa wins the nomination. A Trump loss there certainly takes a lot of momentum out of his campaign, while energizing those who fund Cruz.

Trump is certainly a master of media manipulation, but just because the media like giving attention to someone doesn't mean the public actually buys it. I think this is pretty clear his campaign is in serious jeopardy. If Trump can't win a Northern state like Iowa it's not going to be good for him in the South or other parts of the interior West.

As for Hillary, she barely won Iowa. Not a slam dunk but she did well among women, non white voters, older voters, and more affluent voters. Sanders did well among young white and poor white voters. Now NH is next, but the next two states after that SC and NV have many more non white voters, as do many of the states up for March 1st.
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Old 02-02-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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As for Hillary, she barely won Iowa. Not a slam dunk but she did well among women, non white voters, older voters, and more affluent voters. Sanders did well among young white and poor white voters. Now NH is next, but the next two states after that SC and NV have many more non white voters, as do many of the states up for March 1st.
People keep talking about how poorly Sanders does among non-white voters, but I'd point out that Obama was also doing poorly among non-white voters until after Iowa--when it became apparent that whites were willing to vote for him.


Prior to Iowa, black voters were inclined toward the Democrat they thought could win the general election, not the black candidate--the same as with the previous five blacks who had run for president.


It might work the same way with Sanders. Young voters are not viscerally repelled by the word "socialist," and Sanders has now shown that people will vote for him.
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