Artsy neighboorhood with grounded/down to earth people (Portland, Prospect: rent, unemployed)
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The art scene in Detroit doesn't act like self-absorbed, rude idiots. And they are actually doing something interesting artistically while simultaneously working part-time jobs to get by, unlike the guy I met in Prospect Heights whose occupation was "writing a novel" and whose wardrobe consisted of $120 jeans from American Apparel.
OK, so you met one guy who you didn't think was serious about his writing who was wearing jeans you think are too expensive to buy, then you're going to condemn entire swaths of Brooklyn and then Manhattan in its entirety?
You sound extremely judgemental. Are there annoying pseudo-artists and pseudo-writers here whose income doesn't come from those pursuits? Sure. But for every one of those, there are probably 5 who are actually serious about their craft and working extremely hard to make things happen for themselves in very competitive and under-appreciated fields. AND they are probably the ones who are working in their studios after working in their day job, and not out in the high-end or hipster bars and cafes you might have frequented during your trip.
Well, I can't actually be sure about the numbers, but I think if you try hard enough, you can get my point. You came here for what, a few days, met a few people, and you want to condemn the entire city for being a certain way. Very closed minded of you.
Basically you went somewhere on vacation and judged an entire city based on a few people you met.
Are there any Brooklyn neighborhoods with educated, artsy people who aren't completely full of sh*t? I visited here and really liked the area but loathed the people. I've never met so many vain/out of touch people in my life. It was the only thing that completely turned me off from the city. I won't even get started on Manhattan...
OK, so you met one guy who you didn't think was serious about his writing who was wearing jeans you think are too expensive to buy, then you're going to condemn entire swaths of Brooklyn and then Manhattan in its entirety?
You sound extremely judgemental. Are there annoying pseudo-artists and pseudo-writers here whose income doesn't come from those pursuits? Sure. But for every one of those, there are probably 5 who are actually serious about their craft and working extremely hard to make things happen for themselves in very competitive and under-appreciated fields. AND they are probably the ones who are working in their studios after working in their day job, and not out in the high-end or hipster bars and cafes you might have frequented during your trip.
Well, I can't actually be sure about the numbers, but I think if you try hard enough, you can get my point. You came here for what, a few days, met a few people, and you want to condemn the entire city for being a certain way. Very closed minded of you.
Basically you went somewhere on vacation and judged an entire city based on a few people you met.
I met a lot of people and frequented a lot of establishments and coupled with all the complaints I've heard second-hand over the years, I have to say it is a pretty fair indictment. The people were horrible. I think the worst thing wasn't the fact there were snobs but that there were so many different versions of them (old-money slobs in greenwich village, trust-fund hipsters in Williamsburg, etc, Ivy-league start-up bros in south manhattan, etc). Prior to coming here I was a huge skeptic of the criticism surrounding "gentrification." If it truly does result in anything like a hostile takeover by the pathetic lifeforms that have invaded what was once so obviously your charming, working-class neighborhoods of New York, then I am wholly in agreement with the movement against it.
I met a lot of people and frequented a lot of establishments and coupled with all the complaints I've heard second-hand over the years, I have to say it is a pretty fair indictment. The people were horrible. I think the worst thing wasn't the fact there were snobs but that there were so many different versions of them (old-money slobs in greenwich village, trust-fund hipsters in Williamsburg, etc, Ivy-league start-up bros in south manhattan, etc). Prior to coming here I was a huge skeptic of the criticism surrounding "gentrification." If it truly does result in anything like a hostile takeover by the pathetic lifeforms that have invaded what was once so obviously your charming, working-class neighborhoods of New York, then I am wholly in agreement with the movement against it.
OK, well I can't argue with what was your experience, and it sounds like you did meet a lot of people all over. It's not my personal experience, but on the other hand, I only lived in Williamsburg for 4 years before moving to Queens. Everything is down to earth in my area, and I have met accomplished writers, artists, filmmakers who live near me. They tend to be a little older (35-60+) and perhaps ended up in Queens partly due to lack of funds, and partly to put their nose to the grindstone in their creative work and stay out of the fray which you are referring to.
I do go out in Manhattan and Brooklyn all the time, and most of my friends live in those areas, but I guess I have built a kind of down-to-earth people circle around me and it's always widening with other non-pretentious people.
Everything is down to earth in my area, and I have met accomplished writers, artists, filmmakers who live near me. They tend to be a little older (35-60+) and perhaps ended up in Queens partly due to lack of funds, and partly to put their nose to the grindstone in their creative work and stay out of the fray which you are referring to.
I do go out in Manhattan and Brooklyn all the time, and most of my friends live in those areas, but I guess I have built a kind of down-to-earth people circle around me and it's always widening with other non-pretentious people.
That's the point. The people exist, the "enclaves" in the sense this person means do not.
There are certainly populations of posers.
That's the point. The people exist, the "enclaves" in the sense this person means do not.
There are certainly populations of posers.
What's the point? That everywhere you go in all of Brooklyn and Manhattan you should expect to be surrounded by rotten, pretentious posing people? That is really not my experience.
I feel sorry for those who experience that and feel that way about entire boroughs.
Honestly, I feel like at this point Manhattan may be less pretentious than much of Brooklyn.
I went to Williamsburg/Bushwick and was shocked at the population there. You have the historic poor and working class population, and then you have the white, hipster/artist, 20-something white gentrifiers, who - frankly - just appear not only pretentious and identically dressed in stereotypical "artsy/hipster" style (complete with the requisite eyeglasses), but, also unwashed.
If I was a working class person in Bushwick, I would want a cleaner group of gentrifiers!
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