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Lol there are not many italians left in nyc period. The biggest population of italians anymore now live in staten island. Even little italy in Manhattan is nomore.
Lol there are not many italians left in nyc period. The biggest population of italians anymore now live in staten island. Even little italy in Manhattan is nomore.
I believe there are around 700,000 NYC residents who are ""Italian" and about 60,000 of them were actually born in Italy. You think that's "not many?"
When you say Asian influx, Korean/Chinese or folks from India/Bangladesh?
Mostly Chinese. And they move into the neighborhood as buyers,not renters and are opening up business in the neighborhood as well. I think the Chinese are like the Albanians. They seem to have a penchant for Italian neighborhoods.
Mostly Chinese. And they move into the neighborhood as buyers,not renters and are opening up business in the neighborhood as well. I think the Chinese are like the Albanians. They seem to have a penchant for Italian neighborhoods.
Well most of the places they're moving into don't seem to be Italian neighborhoods
Reduced Italian presence, with Albanian and Latino increase (from my view).
Still some Italian 'remnants'. The Lucheese Funeral Home on Morris Park Ave (Sonny's wake, in Bronx Tale) is still there. Frankie and Johnnies, on Bronxdale Av; great family-style Italian food!
Mostly Chinese. And they move into the neighborhood as buyers,not renters and are opening up business in the neighborhood as well. I think the Chinese are like the Albanians. They seem to have a penchant for Italian neighborhoods.
I don't believe that it's so much a penchant for Italian neighborhoods (if you were referring to Bath Beach, Sheepshead Bay, etc in Brooklyn) as it is an overall declining Italian population in NYC (becoming more and more concentrated in SI) that is creating buying opportunities for others.
My parents moves us into Bergen Beach in the late 90's. It was once a heavily Italian community but when we moved in it was already changing. There's still a lot of Italian families but each new sale decreases that number.
Mostly Chinese. And they move into the neighborhood as buyers,not renters and are opening up business in the neighborhood as well. I think the Chinese are like the Albanians. They seem to have a penchant for Italian neighborhoods.
Very funny and true. Bensonhurst and Southern Brooklyn. BTW had a cigar at the cigar shop on MPA. Nice guys in there. Saw some bars/social clubs on the side street. Not sure if open to the "Public".
Italian Americans have always tended to live in areas with their own kind; was that way when they started arriving off the boats and remains so to some extent today.
Large parts of Manhattan (Lower East Side, Greenwich/West Village, Chelsea/Hell's Kitchen/Tenderloin, West and East Harlem, etc...) all at one time had large Italian American populations.
In Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island... well you know....
If you watched The Sopranos you know large parts of New Jersey had sizable Italian American populations, and so it goes.
What peeps have to remember these areas were fed by a steady flow of new arrivals from Italy along with the tendency of Italian American families (like the Irish) to have large numbers of children. The Kennedy immigration laws took care of one, and birth control the other.
Italians still arrive in New York, Boston, New Orleans, etc... but not in the numbers they once did, nor are many Italian-American women interested in having large families just because the Church says they should. Between declining immigration and lower birth rates it becomes more difficult to keep these so called "Little Italy" areas going.
Where many see nostalgia many Italian-Americans of the day couldn't wait to move on up and out of these various "ghettos". That and or areas began to change such as the arrival of minorities such as blacks, Latinos/Hispanics, Asians... prompted and still prompts many Italian-Americans to move.
Italians arriving in NYC loved Staten Island because of all the open land but ease of reaching the City for work. When the VZNB was built many more came fleeing crowded apartments in Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn and so forth. What many may not know is large parts of the North Shore were once heavily Italian-American. We're talking places like West Brighton, New Brighton, Rosebank, Port Richmond, etc.. Over the years many have packed up and moved to New Jersey (mostly south) and now North Carolina or Florida.
Italian Americans were no different than any other group. They wanted their taste of the American dream if not for themselves but their kids or grandkids. That dream did not entail living in some crowded cold water/vermin infested walk up tenement apartment in "Little Italy".
Think many moaning about the loss of "Little Italy" seem to forget what a hellhole most all the Lower East Side was until rather recently.
Italian Americans have always tended to live in areas with their own kind; was that way when they started arriving off the boats and remains so to some extent today.
Large parts of Manhattan (Lower East Side, Greenwich/West Village, Chelsea/Hell's Kitchen/Tenderloin, West and East Harlem, etc...) all at one time had large Italian American populations.
In Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island... well you know....
If you watched The Sopranos you know large parts of New Jersey had sizable Italian American populations, and so it goes.
What peeps have to remember these areas were fed by a steady flow of new arrivals from Italy along with the tendency of Italian American families (like the Irish) to have large numbers of children. The Kennedy immigration laws took care of one, and birth control the other.
Italians still arrive in New York, Boston, New Orleans, etc... but not in the numbers they once did, nor are many Italian-American women interested in having large families just because the Church says they should. Between declining immigration and lower birth rates it becomes more difficult to keep these so called "Little Italy" areas going.
Where many see nostalgia many Italian-Americans of the day couldn't wait to move on up and out of these various "ghettos". That and or areas began to change such as the arrival of minorities such as blacks, Latinos/Hispanics, Asians... prompted and still prompts many Italian-Americans to move.
Italians arriving in NYC loved Staten Island because of all the open land but ease of reaching the City for work. When the VZNB was built many more came fleeing crowded apartments in Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn and so forth. What many may not know is large parts of the North Shore were once heavily Italian-American. We're talking places like West Brighton, New Brighton, Rosebank, Port Richmond, etc.. Over the years many have packed up and moved to New Jersey (mostly south) and now North Carolina or Florida.
Italian Americans were no different than any other group. They wanted their taste of the American dream if not for themselves but their kids or grandkids. That dream did not entail living in some crowded cold water/vermin infested walk up tenement apartment in "Little Italy".
Think many moaning about the loss of "Little Italy" seem to forget what a hellhole most all the Lower East Side was until rather recently.
Great post!
I would only add that by the 1960s, Italy itself had recovered from the war and become a wealthy, G-7 country. The average Sicilian was better off decamping for Torino rather than New York.
I would only add that by the 1960s, Italy itself had recovered from the war and become a wealthy, G-7 country. The average Sicilian was better off decamping for Torino rather than New York.
The same thing with Europe in general
Most European countries, not counting the former Soviet ones, have a higher standard of living than the United States
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