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It is important to understand in most other parts of the world "free" public education as Americans know it does not exist. Where it does even if the schooling is free books, uniforms and whatever must be paid for which can eat up funds a poor family does not have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_China
Had a few Asian professors in college (mostly Chinese and for science and math) who during breaks would tell us about their education. All said to a one that the average American kid wouldn't survive a year or less in Chinese schools, especially high school and certainly not college.
China like other countries runs their education system basically on a "track" basis. Those who demonstrate ability via grades and test results get into better high schools and onto colleges thus assured a "good" future. Usually tuition at high and or college level is then reduced, free, scholarship provided or whatever. However students have to have the grades.
So you are sitting in a lecture hall with say seventy or more students for finite math. Teacher calls on you to answer a question; don't know it ? Bye, bye..., you are out.
Long story short with completion in the labor market very tight (just look at the population size in China), parents and everyone else knows the key to a "good life" is education, especially higher levels. You won't get there in China unless you have the goods, and are able to demonstrate so via exams. Not the watered down multi-choice ones American kids are used to either.
Again Asian and Indian parents view the American education system for what it is; a chance for their children to realize the American Dream *and* it is free from K-12.
It isn't just in New York nor high school level but all across the USA even mostly white/elite colleges both pubic and private are worried about the "Asian problem". Some places are being accused of attempting to limit Asian enrollment: Harvard
White liberal/elites have no problems it seems with blacks/Latinos and or at least aren't threatened by their presence. Asians and Indians OTOH are a different matter and it is an issue that is coming more to the fore as the Asian and Indian demographics increase in the USA. The Myth of American Meritocracy | The American Conservative
Chinese professors are blunt, one of my former Chinese professors told me "so what you're Asian it doesn't matter" when I told him I was applying to grad school and got a 790/800 in the math GRE. I almost wanted to tell him WTF, I'm not a fob like you. Also I hear from many people that college is easier than high school because of the college entrance exam. But once you're in it's much easier. Kinda makes sense since that's how it is here. For the most part math and science is the same anywhere you go.
I had a former French coworker that told me at French banks in France they have a list of salaries that depends on what school you graduated from. This merit based on academics definitely exists in various countries. In the US this implicitly exists, but it's apparently more explicit and accepted overseas.
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Had a few Asian professors in college (mostly Chinese and for science and math) who during breaks would tell us about their education. All said to a one that the average American kid wouldn't survive a year or less in Chinese schools, especially high school and certainly not college.
China like other countries runs their education system basically on a "track" basis. Those who demonstrate ability via grades and test results get into better high schools and onto colleges thus assured a "good" future. Usually tuition at high and or college level is then reduced, free, scholarship provided or whatever. However students have to have the grades.
Not sure we should be striving to become similar to the Chinese system. Chinese system is a meticulous endurance test of repetition. It lacks any creative thinking and innovation. China has been able to catch up to the US rapidly in part because Chinese people are so good at copying/stealing other countries technology advancements.
Many of the ruling elite send their kids abroad to study as little kids, because they want them to have a competitive advantage in china.
A few extra IQ points and a lot of extra efforts, there is NO secret why Asians do better academically than any other racial groups. Btw, a poor Asian kid will likely perform better than a wealthy (often spoiled) Asian kid.
A few extra IQ points and a lot of extra efforts, there is NO secret why Asians do better academically than any other racial groups. Btw, a poor Asian kid will likely perform better than a wealthy (often spoiled) Asian kid.
Not sure we should be striving to become similar to the Chinese system. Chinese system is a meticulous endurance test of repetition. It lacks any creative thinking and innovation. China has been able to catch up to the US rapidly in part because Chinese people are so good at copying/stealing other countries technology advancements.
Many of the ruling elite send their kids abroad to study as little kids, because they want them to have a competitive advantage in china.
Replace China with US and that's what the British would say in the early 1900s. Replace with Japan and that's what was said in the 80s. And while the idea of reverse engineering is trivial let's see I give you a jet and you make me a copy in a few years, you wouldn't be able to do it if you have access to all the part suppliers in Europe and Japan. Lots are trying, but can't despite full access to all the advanced technology parts from US, Europe, and Japan, 99% of all countries can't pull that off or else they would have already even Japan is only just catching up despite them making many of the semi-cond components for Western defense systems. The US knew this already and has made sure China has been cut off from advanced foreign tech over the last few decades. The day they catch up will be a geopolitical nightmare for the US.
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Unlike the past, the mayor is quiet on this issue now. Any news on SHSAT reform?
If mayor offers any help the same way he did for LICH you better hope he stays out of it. *LOL*
De Boob and his education department know they have to tread very carefully on this, in particular because of the rising Asian demographics of NYC which is translating into political muscle as well.
Again usual suspects want you to believe it is the exam that is problem, when it isn't. You have to identify why Latinos and blacks aren't doing well on exam and remedy *that* problem.
Not sure we should be striving to become similar to the Chinese system. Chinese system is a meticulous endurance test of repetition. It lacks any creative thinking and innovation. China has been able to catch up to the US rapidly in part because Chinese people are so good at copying/stealing other countries technology advancements.
Many of the ruling elite send their kids abroad to study as little kids, because they want them to have a competitive advantage in china.
Be that as it may Asian countries along with India have something sorely lacking in the United States atm; large numbers of high school and college graduates proficient in STEM.
Once the shining star of the world rankings for science and math for the USA have fallen over the past several decades. When you come down to it if it wasn't for all those persons fleeing WWII in Europe and or who arrived afterwards many USA technological feats such as the space program just would not have happened.
I have stood behind elderly persons in supermarkets who can do long division/make change in their heads *and* get the correct answer. Meanwhile the cashier usually a young person currently or a product of the NYC high school system cannot get the correct answer even with a calculator. God forbid the register does not give them the correct numbers....
Science and math are built upon certain fundamentals that you must have down. In some instances this starts at grade school level with fractions, decimals, multiplication and yes, the dreaded long division. If you do not have a firm grasp of multiplication then algebra will elude you as well. If you cannot grasp algebra then certain sciences and higher math won't come easy either.
Be that as it may Asian countries along with India have something sorely lacking in the United States atm; large numbers of high school and college graduates proficient in STEM.
Once the shining star of the world rankings for science and math for the USA have fallen over the past several decades. When you come down to it if it wasn't for all those persons fleeing WWII in Europe and or who arrived afterwards many USA technological feats such as the space program just would not have happened.
I have stood behind elderly persons in supermarkets who can do long division/make change in their heads *and* get the correct answer. Meanwhile the cashier usually a young person currently or a product of the NYC high school system cannot get the correct answer even with a calculator. God forbid the register does not give them the correct numbers....
Science and math are built upon certain fundamentals that you must have down. In some instances this starts at grade school level with fractions, decimals, multiplication and yes, the dreaded long division. If you do not have a firm grasp of multiplication then algebra will elude you as well. If you cannot grasp algebra then certain sciences and higher math won't come easy either.
The US paid those people better and is able to attract the best talent from all around the world. The best talent in any field is rare in any country.
Societies don't advance JUST because of STEM. There are major economics consideration. Who pays these STEM workers? How much? Where does the money come from?
Both government and the private sector invested massive amounts of money in research. Which is why even now the major innovations in computing are still mostly coming from the US. US companies, in conjunction with the US government, and major research universities.
Most of the top universities are disproportionately American and wealthy Chinese spend lots of money to send their kids here.
Nay...I believe that Asians' success in the US largely stops immediately after their entrances to the Ivies , after which most of them drop to the bottom of all societal priority lists...and worse, they have been living with that for decades.
Jeremy Lin is an epic example of how an Asian Ivy graduate performs after leaving the tower compared to his peers, many would have been high school drop outs academic wise. He resents a lot of discrimination once off the arenas.
That's not necessarily true. The 80s and 90s rise of South Korea and the 21st century rise of China has dramatically changed things. Asians with current ties to Asia, especially China (ties as is connection to wealthy people) can get financing to expand their businesses. Many major purchases and developers of major real estate in NYC and LA are Chinese, and they aren't all Chinese nationals. Many are Asian Americans. Many Asian Americans (Chinese, Korean, Indian) are becoming more prominent on Wall Street. I've known Ivy League Asians who did very well on Wall Street.
As the economic base of Asians rapidly grow, you are beginning to see more Asian faculty at top schools and you will see more Asian administrators. And if you count South Asians (Indians) we've had two Asian American governors in the states. We're seeing more Asian city council members here in NY.
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, after which most of them drop to the bottom of all societal priority lists...and worse, they have been living with that for decades.
