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Yep, and decades ago I would have stayed clear of pretty much all of Brooklyn (except a few select neighborhoods in which Williamsburg would not have been one of them). Back then everyone was moving to the suburbs. Why? Because of the schools. When these so-called gentrifiers have kids of school age, they'll likely do the same if they cannot afford private school.
Hard to believe that right through the 1980's and a good part of the 1990's property owners in Williamsburg were begging persons to purchase their buildings/lots. What a difference a decade or so makes.
Remember when Clinton Hill, Fort Greene, Bedford-Stuyvesant, Prospect Heights, etc... were all suspect at best and down right dangerous at worse. However someone has to be first I suppose. Those that moved to and or bought in those areas back in the 1980's or 1990's are sitting quite pretty now. Especially all those lovely brownstones and mansions in Clinton Hill around Pratt. You could have gotten something on Washington Avenue back in the day for nearly nothing....
Well Upper Manhattan has Columbia University, City College, Mount Sinai Medical School. Due to the academic institutions there are plenty of services, and the people who chose to work and live near those places have better school options in THOSE neighborhoods (there are special schools where university faculty and other professionals send their kids if they live in the area), so it's not like they are all going to "bad" schools.
Of course due to your own bias you can't see that.
As for your recommendation that nobody of any race raise their children there, that's just plain dumb and irrational. You want to empty all of these neighborhoods, public housing including into your marvelous Glendale? If they are just jumped into other neighborhoods, those neighborhoods will become equally despised ghettoes by you because you don't like the demographics. Clearly people have to raise their children somewhere, and people can't all live in neighborhoods you APPROVE of.
I also didn't even mention all of the hospitals and government offices and k-12 jobs in Harlem. To claim Upper Manhattan is all bad is just plain ridiculous. And to claim no one should raise children here is just silly. Some of the charter schools here have done very well.
Morningside Heights and parts of West Harlem are probably okay. I don't really know Upper Manhattan that well though. Maybe schools are top notch to reflect the purchase prices.
I don't actually live in Glendale, but would definitely recommend it to a family of any race for that matter over the closest "gentrifying" nabes according to this study, Bushwick and Brownsville.
So you really think the "gentrifiers" are just young college kids? Young kids aren't buying the brownstones in bed stuy, fort green/Clinton hill, Bushwick etc. many are professionals with families or having families. If you can afford the housing prices in Brooklyn you can most likely afford private school.
But besides that there was a mass exodus to the suburbs from the city not because of school theoretically. Google "White Flight", black people and other ethnicities starting moving into the city that's why they all fled. Bad schools were an after effect of home values decreasing and funds being removed from minority neighborhoods
According to the article most if not many are somewhat fresh out of college. The lady in Crown Heights is complaining about the white transient population moving in and displacing the working and poor black families, not even to stay long term in which they eventually have kids and move out to the suburbs.
I'm sure the majority of them will send their kids to public school anyway.
You outta check out the demographics of those public schools in Fort Greene/Clinton Hill. You wouldn't even think there was a single white family in the neighborhood.
So you really think the "gentrifiers" are just young college kids? Young kids aren't buying the brownstones in bed stuy, fort green/Clinton hill, Bushwick etc. many are professionals with families or having families. If you can afford the housing prices in Brooklyn you can most likely afford private school.
But besides that there was a mass exodus to the suburbs from the city not because of school theoretically. Google "White Flight", black people and other ethnicities starting moving into the city that's why they all fled. Bad schools were an after effect of home values decreasing and funds being removed from minority neighborhoods
And BTW...white flight had much more to do with economics than racism.
And BTW...white flight had much more to do with economics than racism.
Do you know things sometimes intersect? You can sit there and act like they wouldn't be running to the surburbs during the 60s of the black people moving in happened to be well off like them. My grandfather was a working immigrant, two jobs was one of the first black families on his block. He wasn't poor and worked just like his white neighbors, oh they still left. So let's not be obstuse. This were the 60s, when Jim Crow laws and civil rights movement was heating up.
According to the article most if not many are somewhat fresh out of college. The lady in Crown Heights is complaining about the white transient population moving in and displacing the working and poor black families, not even to stay long term in which they eventually have kids and move out to the suburbs.
Did any of you even read the article?
There was a piece in the Sunday NYT real estate section awhile back about a family from Brooklyn that fled to the burbs.
Basically they needed a larger apartment that was affordable *and* in a good school district for their growing family. Coming from (Park Slope?) they weren't finding anything in that area which fit the bill (surprise, surprise), so it was the burbs.
IIRC the husband came from NJ and had initially resisted going back to the suburbs and certainly NJ, but again they needed a home with space and in a good school district. In the end they ended up some place in Westchester where a good number of their neighbors are former Brooklyn residents who were also priced out and or needed good schools.
Don't let the good taste fool some of you. Yes, many areas of Brooklyn, Manhattan (above 96th Street) and other areas are changing, but the local public schools often leave *MUCH* to be desired.
If you are lucky to live in say Park Slope, Brooklyn Heights or a few other choice areas of western Brooklyn *and* have a home/apartment that can accommodate a family that is affordable, then all is good; as the schools both public and private are good to excellent. Clinton Hill, Fort Greene, Bedford Stuyvesant, Crown Heights, East New York, etc... are an entirely different matter.
LIC and Sunnyside is classified as higher income. Meaning that they are already completely gentrified.
LIC use to be a working class industrial area. Sunnyside use to be your typical middle class Queens neighborhood ( still is for the most part ).
I wouldn't consider them completely gentrified. I would consider areas like Chelsea and Park Slope completely gentrified.
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