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05-19-2016, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by l1995
I thought ultra Orthodox men were encouraged to go to Yeshiva as often as possible rather than work
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The Bible says one should study and learn daily. It doesn't say it should be their full time job and not do income generating work. This is a relatively new phenomenon that came into existence first in Israel after WW2 where a select number of people where to be the orthodox leaders who would rebuild the religion post the Holocaust. Thanks to loopholes, Israel's problem grew to nearly a million people and now Israel is trying to undo it piece by piece. The US path followed a similar path early on, but politics were added in and block voting became noticeable that politicians made deals to get into office. This is the outcome of deals on top of deals. Think about it, what city in the US other than NYC pays for two private police (shomrim & shmira) forces for the communities of some minority group.
New York ultra-Orthodox Are Following Israel's Bad Example - David's Harp - Haaretz - Israel News Haaretz.com |
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05-19-2016, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruzhany
Yeshivish is common to NY for the Orthodox generation that lean towards ultra religious. Their nickname is "frimish". They are not a historical sect. They are the frum hipsters so to speak.
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The yeshivish are those haredim who are not hasidic. |
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05-19-2016, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by l1995
I thought ultra Orthodox men were encouraged to go to Yeshiva as often as possible rather than work
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Exactly. Many of the men don't work but rather "learn", as they put it.
Some of the women do, therefore, work to support the families. |
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05-19-2016, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by chosen_one1
No they do work, but its off the books so there is no paper trail and they work for others in the community for cash.
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Again,many of the ultra-orthodox and hasidic men simply don't work at all.
In fact, some women/girls specifically seek to marry a guy who "learns" (Torah) rather than works, because it is considered higher status in that community (believe it or not) NOT to work. |
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05-19-2016, 08:24 AM
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Location: The Ranch
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Originally Posted by Shoshanarose
The yeshivish are those haredim who are not hasidic.
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Yeshivish is from Modern Orthodox and up. |
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05-19-2016, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruzhany
Yeshivish is from Modern Orthodox and up.
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No.
Modern Orthodox are not yeshivish.
Yeshivish are ultra-Orthodox,not Modern Orthodox. |
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05-19-2016, 08:52 AM
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Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Originally Posted by Shoshanarose
Again,many of the ultra-orthodox and hasidic men simply don't work at all.
In fact, some women/girls specifically seek to marry a guy who "learns" (Torah) rather than works, because it is considered higher status in that community (believe it or not) NOT to work.
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Well somebody in that house with like 50 people is working, lol. I'm not gonna go into detail, but as part of my work I go into Hasidic communities. |
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05-19-2016, 11:22 AM
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Location: The Ranch
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Originally Posted by Shoshanarose
No.
Modern Orthodox are not yeshivish.
Yeshivish are ultra-Orthodox,not Modern Orthodox.
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Go up to YU and tell them that. Or go to the HS on Ave J and listen to the conversations outside. |
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05-19-2016, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoshanarose
I'm sure there are homeless hasids just as there are homeless of every ethnicity/group.
Perhaps there is more chesed in the hasidic community and the community would help an individual before allowing him/her to actually be street homeless.
I do know hasids who ended up in shelters though.
As for working: some may work in their community.
But many don't work at all.
The women often have too many kids to work, and the men often "don't believe" in working - they believe it is a greater mitzvah to study Torah all day long than to work.
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I am very much involved in shelters, mostly men shelters. I have never seen a Hasidic in a shelter. Of course there are exceptions such as ones that have been outcast by their community. However, They are set on supporting each other no matter what. And like i said they don't work in the conventional sense, meaning they don't have on the book jobs or they work for themselves finding ways to get over on the government. They are building these towns across America and has such a pull in one of the most expensive areas in the city. Trust me they are working in someway. |
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05-19-2016, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NooYowkur81
Well somebody in that house with like 50 people is working, lol. I'm not gonna go into detail, but as part of my work I go into Hasidic communities.
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I don't get whats hard to understand. No true POOR people would have as much pull as the Hasidics have, such a small population yet they get away with murder. They are like the religious Mob. |
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