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Old 05-24-2016, 06:07 PM
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Each politician who voted for or signed the NYC Bag Tax needs to be voted out of office and never voted into another office.

Rather than infringe on the convenience of their constituency and to “dictate” this lunacy on the electorate, they should have put it up for a referendum on the next Election Day, especially since it is so controversial.

After all, we are a democracy, not a dictatorship!

California has propositions on the ballot.

In the past, New York had propositions on the ballot.

No proposition on such a controversial issue is simply dictatorial.

Moreover, tell the do-gooders not to impose their dubious values on others but rather to put their money where their mouth is by financing research to develop a man-made biodegradable bag which NYC would then legislate that this bag must be used. This is capitalism at its best where everyone is free to develop their own biodegradable bag.

Regardless of one’s political affiliation, we should all unite in a coalition to vote the dictators out of office.

For example, as a life-long Democrat, I would vote for a Republican if he/she promised to repeal the Bag Tax. Of course, I would vote for a Democrat who likewise promised to repeal the Bag Tax. Repealing the Bag Tax by either party is the criterion.

What Trump and Sanders did on the national scene, we likewise need to shake up local politics as well!

Therefore, if the Republicans were prudent and wished to crack the Democratic Party’s grip on NYC, they should find liberal Republicans (Jacob-Javits type) as councilmen and a mayor, all who would campaign to repeal the Bag Tax; and the Republican Party should strike the hammer now while it’s still hot. Perhaps, then, NYC would not be taken for granted by the Democrats; let the Bag Tax be their Waterloo. This is the Republicans' unique opportunity in New York. For, once a Republican gets elected and becomes popular; he is re-electable for the same or other positions; it is an entr√©e into the New York political scene. The Bag Tax is the Republican’s gateway to penetrate the Democratic stronghold.

Technically, it is not a bag tax but rather a bag price. Though, in a recession, government may set a price/wage freeze on existing prices and wages, is it constitutional for government to force private business to charge a new price for an item in a free capitalistic country or does only supply-and-demand set the price in a free economy? Perhaps, one should take it to federal court to find out.

Though the new bag price may destroy impulse shopping and encourage those who live on the periphery of the city to do their shopping in the nearby suburbs, this is NOT a discussion of the merits or lack thereof of the bag tax/price.

Rather, in a democracy, the mayor and the members of the city council are our hired-hands who we “hired” on Election Day and should be “fired” at their next Election Day for failure to check such an all-encompassing, highly controversial issue with their bosses through a REFERENDUM. If they can convince their bosses, then we should have it; that is called democracy. Frankly, in lieu of a referendum, hearings for such an all-encompassing highly-controversial issue won’t cut it with the average citizen who is too busy with work and family and has no time to micromanage his hired-hands; whom he thought he could trust. For, any hired-hand should always “directly” check with his boss any controversial or doubtful item to ensure that he won’t be fired over it.

If our elected hired-hands can’t understand this, then fire them at their next Election Day.
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Old 05-24-2016, 06:16 PM
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Amend the state constitution to allow recall elections. Remove people as soon as they fail the public that pays them.
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Old 05-24-2016, 06:47 PM
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The NY State Legislature has introduced bills to outlaw the fees. Stay tuned.
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Old 05-25-2016, 07:57 AM
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Until these postings I had thought the bag fee was a TAX. But if it a mandated charge with retailers pocketing the nickels, TO HELL WITH IT. I pay enough for groceries without adding more to the coffers of Key Food, Cherry Valley, and Fairway.

I would have thought the fees unconstitutional in the long ago past, but if the government can make us buy health insurance (and drug insurance if over 65) or pay a penaalty, I guess it can make us buy ANYTHING.

Thanks for the update, Martin.
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