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Old 06-26-2016, 10:04 AM
 
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I'm not sure if folks have been following Brexit, But I have have been following what is going on in Europe for a while now. The reason why is that I find it very concerning especially since so many young Europeans live in NYC now a days and it makes me question what is wrong with Europe?

EU referendum petition signed by more than 2.5m - BBC News
Europeans like to travel and work overseas and you will find them all over the world in significant numbers. To an extent this is true of educated Americans as well.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:12 AM
 
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Q. Except im not sure how they would do away with our current fiat monetary system./Q.


Perhaps no "they" involved? It might destroy itself.
I could be wrong, but I don't see that happening. Everything in these economies is carefully orchestrated. even bubbles are driven by central banks and government policy makers.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:22 AM
 
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Europeans like to travel and work overseas and you will find them all over the world in significant numbers. To an extent this is true of educated Americans as well.
This is not a real reason Mr ivy league.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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I could be wrong, but I don't see that happening. Everything in these economies is carefully orchestrated. even bubbles are driven by central banks and government policy makers.
Very true which I also pointed out.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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Scotland ain't going nowhere. And if they choose to do, that would be much more irrational than Brexit.

Who the hell blames religion and nationalism before politicians and government? Silly way of thought.
Nationalism and religion is very much politics but you and others won't get it until it's too late.

Scotland could very well leave the UK. Just like people assumed London would remain as well. Scotland figuratively got played by the london
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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This is not a real reason Mr ivy league.
You don't know that. You'll find large numbers of Europeans all around the world. Not just NYC.

That doesn't mean necessarily that something is wrong with Europe. It can also mean they have the money and the education to travel.

To an extent Europeans liking to travel and to go overseas is a REAL reason in and of itself.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:30 AM
 
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I'm not sure if folks have been following Brexit, But I have have been following what is going on in Europe for a while now. The reason why is that I find it very concerning especially since so many young Europeans live in NYC now a days and it makes me question what is wrong with Europe?

Big problem with Europe is that it had too many wars, and to many entities imposing thier will on lands and people for economic reasons, from Greek Colonies stretching from Turkey to Spain, Roman Empire based in italy which brought Pax Romana as far north to Scotland all the way down to Egypt and stability to all of Europe for 200 years, Rome dissolved thanks to Germanic tribal indifference, and Christian rivalry over Monotheists vs Trinitarians Christians. Frankish Kingdoms, Holy Roman Empire fought for control of Italian political base after the fall of Rome. Than you have Spanish Empire through marriage controlled half of Italy, all of Germany, Netherlands and Portugal, which later lead to the, bloody Italian wars, wars of Religion and 30 years war which was very bloody and lead to the decline of Spain and the rise of France. France rise and political dismay lead to the revolution and the rise of Napoleon, who ruled most of Europe until his defeat in 1815. Than you have wars between Germany, Austria, and wars between Germany and France which lead to Germany being a European power that will clash with Britain and Russia Germanys growth will lead to WW1 and WW2. European leaders realized all these wars in the past were not beneficial in the long run politically and economically. EU will be around but left wing and right wing parties will demand reforms. The only entity with the best Stuart ship of Europe has been the Roman Empire, but EU fails to replicate this. The EU is designed for member states to share political and economic power instead of fighting each other for it like it did in the past.

Also Brits are asking for a 2nd vote referendum on voting to stay in the EU.


EU referendum petition signed by more than 2.5m - BBC News
they are asking for a 2nd vote referendum that requires a minimum 60% vote threshold for brexit. how is this fair? it's over. people need to move on.

there have been wars all over the world, it's not just europe. i don't think the EU's problems have anything to do with past wars, instead how conformist marxist ideologies just don't last long term within multicultural geographies. the EU was a societal experiment to test unilateralism via common history and geography, but the reality is the english are english, and the polish are polish.

the only reason rome lasted so long was via military might. the title of emperor was honorific for a military leader. in latin, it translates to military commander. rome was created wholly out of imperialism and forced will. had they a true democracy instead of the pseudo one they ran called "the republic" via lineage and emperors which basicaly equated to a modern fascist state, that conglomerate wouldn't have lasted 200 years. the senate consisted of wealthy property owners and only a small % of the overall population were able to vote.

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Old 06-26-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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look, donald trump had a <8% chance of winning the republican nomination back last fall. brexit was polled overwhelmingly to remain at 78% back in january. when the gears change directions and set in motion, they remain in motion.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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look, donald trump had a <8% chance of winning the republican nomination back last fall. brexit was polled overwhelmingly to remain at 78% back in january. when the gears change directions and set in motion, they remain in motion.
Or this situation will encourage everyone to utilize their vote in the next election, every vote counts. we all know the majority of people don't like trump or Hilary, however trump is obviously the bigger bozo and disliked more by educated people. Some of my friends cried about Brexit because they didn't vote. That's what you get when you become complacent especially young voters who are constantly being outvoted by old people who probably won't be around for the long term consequences of their actions.
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Old 06-26-2016, 11:25 AM
 
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Or this situation will encourage everyone to utilize their vote in the next election, every vote counts. we all know the majority of people don't like trump or Hilary, however trump is obviously the bigger bozo and disliked more by educated people. Some of my friends cried about Brexit because they didn't vote. That's what you get when you become complacent especially young voters who are constantly being outvoted by old people who probably won't be around for the long term consequences of their actions.
you make some good points, and trump received the most GOP primary votes in history even running against 16 other candidates so the conservatives are out in force.

it's not that liberals aren't voting, it's that the liberals are divided.

many young people have been radicalized into quasi socialist/communist ideologies and will either vote sanders or nothing. this favors trump in the national election.

sanders won't endorse hillary because she stands for everything he is against. his vote for hillary is merely a gesture against an opposing party.
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