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Old 09-06-2016, 01:48 AM
 
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Minus the crocodiles? Yes. Why is grit, grime and crime so romanticized?
I'm not saying crime is good, but if NYC just felt like a more urban Garden City, LI it would be super lame
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:00 AM
 
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Hello, years of disenfranchisement! Why do you think black kids ran to "only white schools" in the 60s once Jim Crow laws ended?

You ever heard of white flight, this applies specifically to NYC. My grandfather was one of the first black families to buy in a neighborhood in Brooklyn, which was largely white. Once black Families started moving in, white folks fled to the suburbs. Some tried to get out before property value declined due to black ownership, wants more minorities moved it. Many even sold or abandoned their home. My grandfather was a Hard working man, working two jobs, he biked all the way to Manhattan everyday for work. So was most of the families moving in, they were proud. Then the Coincidently drugs rolled around into the community, police didn't give a damn about. Public funding to maintain schools, good teachers ran out the area. And let's things about it, how many black teachers had degrees at that point in time when schools were discriminatory?

I can go on and on about our great American HISTORY. That isn't taught in schools for a reason
So you are saying that schools in black neighborhoods in NYC are worse simply because "white students aren't there"?
That white people need to be somewhere to make a good school?
Why? What is wrong with black students?
And the teachers should be the same,whether in a white public NYC school or a mostly black one.
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:05 AM
 
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#2. Teaching in improvished neighborhoods like Brownsville/ENY where the students parents are lacking education and concern at home makes it difficult to teach children.

Then we have teachers who are purchasing hundreds of dollars of school supplies for their students out their own pockets - and others who are breaking down due to stress.
So you are saying that the schools are worse in these neighborhoods because the students are black?
Or because they're poor?

So you are blaming the students for being poor, making the schools bad?

It sounds like you are saying the schools are bad because students' parents don't have education and aren't concerned with their kids' education.

This doesn't seem that it's the fault of the schools then, but rather of the poor community itself?
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:18 AM
 
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Okay, well if that is the case, then it seems that black people are blaming white people or "the establishment" for the cultural norms in their own community (bad schools, fatherless families, gangs, drugs, crime, etc.)
"Cultural norms" that stem from the enslavement of Africans within the Americas, in which families were ripped apart and brought/sold away from each other. A process which was largely perpetuated by White slaveowners and traders and created/encouraged by European imperialistic governments.
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:30 AM
 
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So you are saying that schools in black neighborhoods in NYC are worse simply because "white students aren't there"?
That white people need to be somewhere to make a good school?
Why? What is wrong with black students?
And the teachers should be the same,whether in a white public NYC school or a mostly black one.
Did you NOT read what I wrote, my god

Do Google search, I know the history books don't teach people anything about what the government was doing to black communities. But it's no excuse now to be so ignorant to actually think the issues aren't deeply ingrained from years of neglect by our country.

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Old 09-06-2016, 06:31 AM
 
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Minus the crocodiles? Yes. Why is grit, grime and crime so romanticized?
Then move to DisneyWorld. There is a place for you.
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:37 AM
 
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Hello, years of disenfranchisement! Why do you think black kids ran to "only white schools" in the 60s once Jim Crow laws ended?

You ever heard of white flight, this applies specifically to NYC. My grandfather was one of the first black families to buy in a neighborhood in Brooklyn, which was largely white. Once black Families started moving in, white folks fled to the suburbs. Some tried to get out before property value declined due to black ownership, wants more minorities moved it. Many even sold or abandoned their home. My grandfather was a Hard working man, working two jobs, he biked all the way to Manhattan everyday for work. So was most of the families moving in, they were proud. Then the Coincidently drugs rolled around into the community, police didn't give a damn about. Public funding to maintain schools, good teachers ran out the area. And let's things about it, how many black teachers had degrees at that point in time when schools were discriminatory?

I can go on and on about our great American HISTORY. That isn't taught in schools for a reason
I agree with almost everything you wrote with the exception of "Why do you think black kids ran to "only white schools" in the 60s once Jim Crow laws ended?" Students were bused into schools that were "white-only". It was not that schools were solely segregated, that was an issue, but access to resources were very different between "white-only" schools and schools where black students attended. Had the resources been similar in nature between the two shcools, the migration of students to "white-only" schools would have been a bit more muted.
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:48 AM
 
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"Cultural norms" that stem from the enslavement of Africans within the Americas, in which families were ripped apart and brought/sold away from each other. A process which was largely perpetuated by White slaveowners and traders and created/encouraged by European imperialistic governments.
Okay.
That happened a LONG time ago.
It's time for people to take responsibility for their communities NOW.
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:49 AM
 
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I agree with almost everything you wrote with the exception of "Why do you think black kids ran to "only white schools" in the 60s once Jim Crow laws ended?" Students were bused into schools that were "white-only". It was not that schools were solely segregated, that was an issue, but access to resources were very different between "white-only" schools and schools where black students attended. Had the resources been similar in nature between the two shcools, the migration of students to "white-only" schools would have been a bit more muted.
But in a New York City PUBLIC school, why would the resources be any different in a black neighborhood's school than in a white neighborhood's school?
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:51 AM
 
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I agree with almost everything you wrote with the exception of "Why do you think black kids ran to "only white schools" in the 60s once Jim Crow laws ended?" Students were bused into schools that were "white-only". It was not that schools were solely segregated, that was an issue, but access to resources were very different between "white-only" schools and schools where black students attended. Had the resources been similar in nature between the two shcools, the migration of students to "white-only" schools would have been a bit more muted.
Oh definitely Many didn't even want to go, due to the racism and bullying. Look at ruby bridges that had to be escorted by police to go to school, due to death threats.

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