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Old 11-27-2016, 06:43 PM
 
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A better idea would be to just give Staten Island to New Jersey....at this point it just makes more sense. Then maybe they could look into expanding the PATH through the other parts of Jersey City and Bayonne, which would revitalize those areas almost overnight.

IIRC that was the idea and or perhaps thought when Bloomberg's administration reactivated Arlington Yards and the Arthur Kill bridge. Once on the NJ side passenger trains could cross over onto the former PRR ROW (now Amtrak/NJT) and onto Manhattan via the Hudson River tunnels.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur...al_Lift_Bridge


Few people today know that at one time SI had major industry which used that bridge connection. P&G (Port Ivory), US Gypsum (what is left of that plant is on Richmond Terrace between Jersey Street and Lafayette Avenue.
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Old 11-27-2016, 06:44 PM
 
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I think there were plans long ago for a Brooklyn-Staten Island subway line. It was scrapped though, unfortunately. I don't know how one would work between Manhattan and SI though. I think they are a bit too far away to be connected directly.

More SIRT stuff for rail fans.




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Old 11-27-2016, 08:27 PM
 
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I can't see how connecting the SIR and the R train in Brooklyn would benefit Manhattan commuters at all. The trip from mid or south shore to Midtown would still be at least 90 minutes
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Old 11-27-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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I can't see how connecting the SIR and the R train in Brooklyn would benefit Manhattan commuters at all. The trip from mid or south shore to Midtown would still be at least 90 minutes
*Exactly*!


Now you know why the MTA nor anyone else has the project on the front burners.


To be fair back in the day when ferry service was only once per hour after a certain time on weekdays and much of the weekends would take the R subway to 86th, then take the (then) R7 bus from Brooklyn to SI. Even with the walk of several blocks to our house still got home faster than waiting an hour for the boat, time to make the crossing, then taking a bus.
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Old 11-28-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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If it went express after the first stop in Brooklyn just to drop off people who want to stay there, it wouldn't be bad.
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Old 11-28-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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Well, it runs every 30 minutes outside of rush hour, and only serves a small portion of the island (basically, the areas near Hylan Blvd)



I think the people living in Stapleton or along some of the areas along Richmond Terrace would like a word with you....

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Old 11-28-2016, 03:09 PM
 
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Quite honestly cannot see train service across the VNB benefitting really anyone besides the South Shore (where SIRT runs already) and perhaps parts of Mid-Island.


Unless new ROWs are created inland on the Rock (good luck with that), the thing would prove largely useless to many. Even if the North Shore ROW was reactivated for passenger service who would ride a train from say Port Richmond along Richmond Terrance, looping around Saint George (and past the ferry) then travel along Bay Street to reach any new tunnel across the Narrows into Brooklyn. More so when you consider unless south Brooklyn was the intended destination you *still* would have to take the "R" line into Manhattan.
With expanded/more frequent ferry service it just doesn't make sense.


Consider also to make this scheme work would require putting back the South Beach extension of the SIRR (trains now curve at Rosebank to reach Hylan Blvd). This is impossible as most if not all of that ROW has not only been torn down but property redeveloped (see links above) into mostly housing.


A light rail service over the new Bayonne Bridge *may* have proved more interesting, but didn't make it into the final plans. Back in the day there was once ferry service to Bayonne from the foot of Richmond Terrace and Richmond Avenues (hence all the old hotels down there).
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Old 11-28-2016, 06:54 PM
 
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I can't see how connecting the SIR and the R train in Brooklyn would benefit Manhattan commuters at all. The trip from mid or south shore to Midtown would still be at least 90 minutes
A lot of people on SI have relatives and friends who live in South Brooklyn. In fact, a lot of people who currently reside on SI at some point lived in South Brooklyn themselves.
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Old 11-28-2016, 07:15 PM
 
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A lot of people on SI have relatives and friends who live in South Brooklyn. In fact, a lot of people who currently reside on SI at some point lived in South Brooklyn themselves.

No one is going to spend billions for RR service between SI and Bay Ridge so Anthony and Antoinette can get to Nonna's house on Cropsey Avenue.


The only sane reason to build any subway/transit system is the same used for the subways; to allow persons to live outside of Manhattan but get into the City to work (or play). Same reasons are behind the commuter RR services such as Metro-North, PATH and NJT.


Rail transit is *very* expensive to build and maintain. Without some other source of revenue such as freight any such ROW is entirely dependent upon some mixture of fare box recovery and subsidies.


Leaving aside all this Staten Island does not remotely have the density anywhere near to support subway service. Where it does exist is mainly along the North Shore which is rather well served by bus transit and of course the ferry.


If you look at where NYC subways go in both their planned and current ROW it is mainly to, along and from high density areas in Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens into Manhattan. Granted much of the development took place after these lines were built, but that was the point (see above).


It would take creating far more density living on Staten Island over a much larger area to make even the remotest idea of a subway work. Good luck with that. Staten Island is famously one of the most anti-development/urban areas of the City and that feeling is only growing.


To make any subway work on SI the ROWs would have to reach deep into mid-island areas, and not just along Hylan Blvd (as now) and or North Shore (as it was). There is no easy way of doing this given way SI roads/streets and neighborhoods are already laid out. It would require the same sort of thing that got the SIE and VNB built, eminent domain, again good luck with that.


Finally for those who haven't been out to the Rock, the place hills, lots and lots of often very steep hills. Trains don't like steep gradients, you either go around or through, and or get some pretty powerful locomotives.
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