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Old 12-05-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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It's almost like you can hear it coming soon from the press:

Tenants Flocked to Oakland Warehouse, Scene of Fire, for Low Rents
(website) Tenants Flocked to Oakland Warehouse, Scene of Fire, for Low Rents - WSJ

Will NYC city hall pick up on the bandwagon?
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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You have to be a subscriber to read the whole article.

But while there may be some truth to it, it's more that people like this lack the common sense and situational awareness to realize that you cannot just live some fantasy land lifestyle all willy-nilly in a clearly not up to code, tinder-box of a building. Unfortunately it took this to hopefully let others in the future not be so careless. I somehow doubt it though...
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:38 PM
 
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I would note that the mass casualty situation that occurred, happened during an illegal rave, in a cobbled together event space. Residential rents had nothing to do with it.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:45 PM
 
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I would note that the mass casualty situation that occurred, happened during an illegal rave, in a cobbled together event space. Residential rents had nothing to do with it.
A lot of these people lived and had studios there, as well as partied. I am not saying rents had anything to do with it, but it could have and probably would have happened eventually either way, even if no rave was going on. But yeah, surely more life was lost during this party.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:19 PM
 
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Not to mention that the article made lots of innuendos about how skyrocketing rents were pushing artists outside of SFO proper to the fringes of Oakland.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:24 PM
 
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Oakland could use a good jolt of gentrification
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:58 PM
 
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There have been some evictions in NYC in similar unsafe warehouse artist buildings like http://ny.curbed.com/2011/6/17/10460...vacate-notices

However, overall I think NYC is more likely to turn a blind eye to unsafe conditions because if they evict, suddenly they have to deal with sheltering people, bad press, lawsuits, etc.

P.S. You can get around the paywall on the WSJ site by just copying and pasting the title of the article into Google and then clicking the link from there.

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Old 12-06-2016, 01:18 AM
 
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It's almost like you can hear it coming soon from the press:

Tenants Flocked to Oakland Warehouse, Scene of Fire, for Low Rents
(website) Tenants Flocked to Oakland Warehouse, Scene of Fire, for Low Rents - WSJ

Will NYC city hall pick up on the bandwagon?
I was watching PBS about this such topic about the fire in Oakland. Gentrification has become a big problem in elite cities such as NYC, SF, DC and Boston where plenty of wealth is concentrated between the creative class and elite liberals. We all have to remember that San Francisco is or was the capital of the counter culture movement of the west coast. With Cal Tech, Berkley and Stanford pushing tech industry. No one knew that tech industry would take off in the suburbs of San Francisco and swallow the whole entire city. San Francisco is an elite city now, probably more elite than LA. Now that the whole entire city of San Francisco has gentrified, plenty of San Franciscans who are part of the creative class, can not afford the high rents. This has lead some San Francisco residents to move to Oakland which is across the bay from San Francisco.

How does this relate to NYC? Once the village got gentrified out, the gentry types moved over to Williamsburg Brooklyn which is a carbon copy of the village about 2 decades ago. However we have yet to see a disaster like that unfold here in NYC thanks to strict fire codes. Remember San Francisco and Oakland are two different cities in two different counties in the Bay Area. But overall, I put the blame on gentrification for such massacre to take place. Surprisingly, because of this topic in recent days. Their has been talk and backlash against gentrification and something needs to be done on the federal level.
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Old 12-06-2016, 01:39 AM
 
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There have been some evictions in NYC in similar unsafe warehouse artist buildings like http://ny.curbed.com/2011/6/17/10460...vacate-notices

However, overall I think NYC is more likely to turn a blind eye to unsafe conditions because if they evict, suddenly they have to deal with sheltering people, bad press, lawsuits, etc.

P.S. You can get around the paywall on the WSJ site by just copying and pasting the title of the article into Google and then clicking the link from there.

Like your link shows, fdny does surprise building inspections a few times a week. This was a pretty public vacate order, and I promise you it happens more than you might think. The kid in that article all upset at the Dept for kicking them out is probably singing a different tune in his head after reading about what happened in Oakland last week.
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Old 12-06-2016, 01:47 AM
 
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Like your link shows, fdny does surprise building inspections a few times a week. This was a pretty public vacate order, and I promise you it happens more than you might think. The kid in that article all upset at the Dept for kicking them out is probably singing a different tune in his head after reading about what happened in Oakland last week.
I agree with you. Fdny does not play, as well as DOB and dep when they inspect buildings and slap fines on the landlord. I have seen this happy plenty of times at work. I love random inspections.
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