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Old 12-10-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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America did steal half of Mexicos land, so Mexicans didn't cross the border the border crossed them. There needs to be immigration reform allowing increased immigration from south of the border to the point where only people engaged in illegal activities avoid the legal system of immigration.
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Old 12-10-2016, 01:15 PM
 
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America did steal half of Mexicos land, so Mexicans didn't cross the border the border crossed them. There needs to be immigration reform allowing increased immigration from south of the border to the point where only people engaged in illegal activities avoid the legal system of immigration.
Ah, but Mexico as an entity is a creation of Spanish/European colonialism that conquered a number of Native American nations.

The US is a creation of English/European colonialism that conquered many nations.

The US won the war, and Mexicans have no special immigration rights in the United States.
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Old 12-10-2016, 03:51 PM
 
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America did steal half of Mexicos land, so Mexicans didn't cross the border the border crossed them. There needs to be immigration reform allowing increased immigration from south of the border to the point where only people engaged in illegal activities avoid the legal system of immigration.
You're basically looking at having over half of Mexico coming here. That's not feasible in a short time frame. Immigration is a privilege not a right.
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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Old 12-13-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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That's all well and good but if the USCIS / FBI issues a subpoena for the database for evidence towards ongoing investigations and the city destroys the evidence, then they are tampering and obstructing and those will be federal crimes that the constitution won't save anybody from
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Old 12-17-2016, 08:10 AM
 
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So then it is not NY that is in violation of the Constitution but the USCIS/FBI who are behaving criminally, assuming "rights" that are not their's to assume.
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Old 12-17-2016, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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And while a large number of NYCers are not happy with illegal immigration (even immigrants themselves), they do not support Trump's proposal for mass round-ups as this will cause dislocation in the local economy and more importantly lower trust in IDNYC, which has allowed all immigrants to open bank accounts, credit cards, etc. and thus help the local economy. This is what the OP does not understand.

Any disclosure will be an act of bad faith as these people signed up for IDNYC voluntarily since the city was trying to induce them to participate more in the formal economy. Nobody would have signed up if they knew at that time they knew they were being lured into a trap.

And 80% of Manhattan, QNS and Bronx voting for Clinton is not surprising. They are happy with the status quo as it applies to their own lives. They NYC economy has recovered since the recession, employment has improved, and there is overall stability and improved accountability in the business climate. With Hillary, there was sure to be continuity in the economic climate.
The city can not supersede federal law of which they are in violation of. Immigration laws are made at the federal level. The city and state have no ground to block. Sanctuary cities are not legal. deBlasio and the city council falsely represented themselves when they stated that there would be no repercussions for signing up for IDNYC. Perhaps not by NYC or NYS officials, but the federal government can do whatever it wants within the laws that are already well established. If the city council and deBlasio destroy the records they need to be arrested and led out in chains for a well-deserved perp walk.

The free ride in this country for illegal aliens that has largely been provided by this country's bookend states of New York and California is coming to an end. The gloves are off.
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Old 12-17-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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I don't understand how 80-something percent of voters in Manhattan voted for Clinton with high numbers in the Bronx, Queens, & Brooklyn too. What is wrong with these people
They are brainwashed, partisan idiots which a huge chuck are on some type of government handout provided and supported by the left in order to retain their voter base and political stronghold on the city.
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Old 12-17-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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That's all well and good but if the USCIS / FBI issues a subpoena for the database for evidence towards ongoing investigations and the city destroys the evidence, then they are tampering and obstructing and those will be federal crimes that the constitution won't save anybody from
Clearly, and the feds would be able to arrest any city officials that destroyed this evidence.

If the courts order the city not to destroy the data and they destroy it, then that is contempt of court and that is indeed punishable by prison.

Plus those cards were used to open bank accounts and pay bills, so there would still be plenty of data on it.
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Old 12-17-2016, 12:43 PM
 
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The city can not supersede federal law of which they are in violation of. Immigration laws are made at the federal level. The city and state have no ground to block. Sanctuary cities are not legal. deBlasio and the city council falsely represented themselves when they stated that there would be no repercussions for signing up for IDNYC. Perhaps not by NYC or NYS officials, but the federal government can do whatever it wants within the laws that are already well established. If the city council and deBlasio destroy the records they need to be arrested and led out in chains for a well-deserved perp walk.

The free ride in this country for illegal aliens that has largely been provided by this country's bookend states of New York and California is coming to an end. The gloves are off.
Republican officials in Staten Island already have the city in state court on the IDNYC.

"A New York state court blocked the city from destroying personal records of 900,000 IDNYC cardholders after two Republican lawmakers from Staten Island filed a lawsuit Monday. City officials had been considering destroying copies of passports, birth certificates, educational records and other documents submitted by applicants for the municipal identification cards if President-elect Donald Trump moves forward with plans to deport illegal immigrants.

“The court has temporarily barred the city from doing away with records associated with the IDNYC program,” City Hall spokeswoman Rosemary Boeglin said. “The mayor is absolutely committed to protecting the security of our data. As we continue to review all of our options, we are confident that we can keep the IDNYC data private.”

The city will no longer require such personal information from those who apply for IDNYC. A state judge will decide whether to extend the stay after both sides file additional court papers by Dec. 21."

City changes policy on IDNYC after lawsuit filed • TimesLedger

The state judge will likely extend the stay on Dec. 21st. Trump will be officially President, and he is sworn in on Jan. 20th. At that time the federal government will be able to launch it's own lawsuit.
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