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Old 12-12-2016, 03:02 AM
 
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If they crack down on this, they're going to have even more homeless. There are plenty of people that this sort of housing is their last resort before they become homeless.

No one wants to live like this but with the high cost of housing right now, and not only just cost but the lack of any sort of reasonably priced apartments out there, it's become a nightmare. People are desperate. I really feel sorry for them.

Of course, de Blasio and all the rest of the councilcritters are living comfortably in their nice warm apartments.
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Old 12-12-2016, 03:06 AM
 
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If they crack down on this, they're going to have even more homeless. There are plenty of people that this sort of housing is their last resort before they become homeless.
I'm not so sure there would be more homeless. The people living in these illegal apartments are disproportionately immigrants or transplants. They'd probably just go back home.
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Old 12-12-2016, 03:08 AM
 
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Going back home is not always an option or easy. You generalize way too much.
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Old 12-12-2016, 03:34 AM
 
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Going back home is not always an option or easy. You generalize way too much.
Rooms for rent are typically at least $800 a month, and can go up to $1500 or more depending on where the person live.

These people can go back anytime they want to, as airplane and bus tickets can be bought for far less.

Transplants and immigrants living in crowded conditions tend to be YOUNGER people and they tend to still have LIVING parents and other relatives. They can go back home WHENEVER they want to.

They won't go homeless if the city cracks down, which it probably won'.t
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Old 12-12-2016, 04:40 AM
 
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If they crack down on this, they're going to have even more homeless. There are plenty of people that this sort of housing is their last resort before they become homeless.

No one wants to live like this but with the high cost of housing right now, and not only just cost but the lack of any sort of reasonably priced apartments out there, it's become a nightmare. People are desperate. I really feel sorry for them.

Of course, de Blasio and all the rest of the councilcritters are living comfortably in their nice warm apartments.


Yes, but the thing is are the persons renting *illegal* apartments truly safe.


First and foremost we do not know what kind of housing these places provide. Many lack legal requirements in terms of emergency egress and access, windows, etc... They likely have no written lease thus very little legal protections in case of abuse, fraud, and so forth.


Time and time again these illegal apartments have become death traps. It took years of work by housing and advocates for the poor to get various "tenement laws" passed to ensure a minimum of certain building conditions for rental housing. These illegal apartments turn all that on its ear.


We all have seen the various posts from persons whose housing situation just doesn't sound right. Things like a LL telling them they have to move *NOW* or messing with them when it comes to the rent. These are likely persons renting illegal apartments.
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Old 12-12-2016, 04:44 AM
 
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Again this whole "crack down" is a joke. NYC already *KNOWS* where much of these illegal apartments are; the DOB records are full of complaints against properties. However when DOB does show up for an inspection LL refuses to let them in and or has instructed tenants to do the same. In any case the result is same; the complaint/case is closed out with "no access...".


Later, rinse and repeat.


People out on the Rock have been complaining about this or that illegal apartment on their blocks for years. Each time the result is the same (see above), so many just give up and no longer bother. Only time the thing stops is when homeowner gets ready to sell the property; they have to convert things back otherwise there will be problems with the sale.
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Old 12-12-2016, 04:46 AM
 
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He better take them to court. They're banking on the woman dying and getting the house for free.
Welcome to the lawless Caribbean.
For all intents and purposes, they already have the house for free.


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It isn't just about housing; you have no idea what damage to a street/area illegal apartments can do.


Out on Staten Island this is a huge issue. You have streets supposedly full of one or maybe two family homes where almost the entire block is doing the illegal apartment thing. Schools and other services are stressed because officially these people aren't supposed to be living in the area. Parking becomes an issue because you now have ten or more people living on a street that again aren't supposed to be there that have at least one car.


Everyone likes to point the finger at Port Richmond blaming the "illegals" or Latino/Hispanic population, but illegal apartments are all over Staten Island including a large number on South Shore.


For many homeowners this extra source of cash income is not in full or part on their taxes. It can also create issues if you are the poor sap who purchases one of these properties without due diligence. Places have five, ten or more open DOB and other issues logged against the property.
Aren't you ok with 4 adults to a 1 bedroom in Manhattan luxury rentals?

Why are you not OK with illegal apartments? May it be because it affects you directly?
Welcome to the human condition ladies and gentleman. Most people are hypocrites and full of ****.

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Old 12-12-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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Any apartment/room has to be better than sleeping on the street.
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Old 12-12-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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Aren't you ok with 4 adults to a 1 bedroom in Manhattan luxury rentals?


The NY Times featured exactly such an apartment on the front page of yesterday's Real Estate section. ($3750/month...$1000 each.))
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Old 12-12-2016, 07:00 PM
 
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Rooms for rent are typically at least $800 a month, and can go up to $1500 or more depending on where the person live.

These people can go back anytime they want to, as airplane and bus tickets can be bought for far less.

Transplants and immigrants living in crowded conditions tend to be YOUNGER people and they tend to still have LIVING parents and other relatives. They can go back home WHENEVER they want to.

They won't go homeless if the city cracks down, which it probably won'.t
In case you haven't heard, NYC has decided it wants to be a sanctuary city, welcoming all immigrants, legal and illegal. If you are going to open your city up to so many people, then you are going to need to make room for them.
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