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Old 12-14-2016, 10:50 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Only persons with any illusions about Rudy G. are those who are just like him and or play in the same ball field. This explains why the guy has a base of support in parts of SI and other "working/middle class" conservative areas of USA.


Everyone else sees Rudy G. for what he is; a racist, homophobic misogynist with a huge Napoleon complex.
Such gross exaggerations. God forbid anyone wants a clean NYC, that isn't overrun with crime. The city was in deplorable shape before Giuliani came in. He cleaned up Times Square, which has allowed tourism to flourish so that the city can blow millions of taxpayer dollars putting homeless people in posh hotels ($600.00 per room) there , which costs double what the Waldorf Hotel charges in some cases. It's rather odd that you constantly criticize de Blowsio, who has an agenda to destroy every good middle class neighborhood in this city (Maspeth Queens comes to mind), but then turn around and criticize the legacy of one of the greatest mayors in NYC.

This is a man that went tooth and nail to take out the mafia, and yet he's "racist".
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Old 12-15-2016, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I'm no fan of Giuliani, but I think his demeanor went a long way toward getting the city through 9/11.

It didn't get through 9/11.
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Old 12-15-2016, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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Such gross exaggerations. God forbid anyone wants a clean NYC, that isn't overrun with crime. The city was in deplorable shape before Giuliani came in. He cleaned up Times Square, which has allowed tourism to flourish so that the city can blow millions of taxpayer dollars putting homeless people in posh hotels ($600.00 per room) there , which costs double what the Waldorf Hotel charges in some cases. It's rather odd that you constantly criticize de Blowsio, who has an agenda to destroy every good middle class neighborhood in this city (Maspeth Queens comes to mind), but then turn around and criticize the legacy of one of the greatest mayors in NYC.

This is a man that went tooth and nail to take out the mafia, and yet he's "racist".
From someone who went to high school in Hell's Kitchen in the 80s, who was in Times square virtually every day before and after school......

Times Square was slowly starting to change, with the construction of the Marriott and others! It was still 'a problem', with the porn shops and pick pockets! (I also worked at the 42 Street store of the old Herman's!). But the changes were starting to take place, however small and slow.....!

To give Rudy Giuliani all the credit for the transformation is highly incorrect!
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Old 12-15-2016, 01:23 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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From someone who went to high school in Hell's Kitchen in the 80s, who was in Times square virtually every day before and after school......

Times Square was slowly starting to change, with the construction of the Marriott and others! It was still 'a problem', with the porn shops and pick pockets! (I also worked at the 42 Street store of the old Herman's!). But the changes were starting to take place, however small and slow.....!

To give Rudy Giuliani all the credit for the transformation is highly incorrect!
Without Giuliani, Times Square wouldn't be where it is today.
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Old 12-15-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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Without Giuliani, Times Square wouldn't be where it is today.
The most boring overly commercialized space in the city and possibly on each?

Does ANYONE who actually lives in New York go to Times Square (except if your livelihood puts you there, like a cop, dancing costume person, pickpocket, or begging heroin addict)?
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Old 12-16-2016, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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Without Giuliani, Times Square wouldn't be where it is today.
Let's just say that I highly disagree with you!

If you think that the angry, end justifies the means (even if innocent folk are hurt!), my way shouldn't be questioned, shut your opposition out of City Hall leadership is great, then Rudy's your man!

Of all the end justifies the means things he pulled, the Dorismond case is really it! Leaking a man's juvenile records, without a court order.....many people thought him and Safir should have been severely sanctioned for that, such as put in jail!

I cannot support leaders who will violate the law to get results!
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Old 12-16-2016, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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I read Rudy's book on Leadership.

There's one philosophy which I do agree with him on, that is 'underpromise and overdeliver'! It is true that a lot of people talk a good game, but when elected, don't come up with the results! I can agree with him on that!

And the additional philosophies in the book are good! But here's were the book ended up going downhill......

1) His tactics he actually used in executing his philosophies

and the big one:

2) Almost an entire chapter on how he came to hire Bernie Kerik as Police Commissioner! And with Kerik's subsequent conviction, the now-revealed failure to properly vet Kerik's background made what was an otherwise good book blow up in Rudy's face!
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Without Giuliani, Times Square wouldn't be where it is today.


So then it is HIM we have to blame for the hot mess it is today.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:07 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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So then it is HIM we have to blame for the hot mess it is today.
No, that goes to de Blasio... It's one thing to revitalize an area, and another to let it meander out of control. The city has wasted millions redesigning pedestrian plazas in the area, with nothing in return for it. Very smart administration.
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Old 12-16-2016, 05:07 PM
 
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Boy, did rudy jump on the 9/11 bandwagon or what? I guess any mayor in office at the time would have had the same tag, no?

Rudy help shut down racketeering in the mob, with commercial sanitation and the docks.

The big drop in crime, in nyc, was the popularity of marijuana over coke, via music and tv.

This broken windows policy waa the home run for crime, but proven to be biased. It just was a way to continue to put away the hood for BS crimes. People were very happy to have rudy after a black mayor.

As for the marriott, and their huge property tax break that was re adjusted under rudys watch, believe it, an exchange of favors were on the table. Even Kurik benefited over all deals.

9/11 made this mans head big ,meng. Left his wife after becoming an overnight celebrity, fame is a *****!
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